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German Stamp With Unusual Date

 
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Posted 01/30/2011   2:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add peterethio to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Picked up this stamp recently.



Any comments on the date?
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Posted 01/30/2011   2:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is new to me as well.

Maybe there are other more informed members in this forum who can enlighten us?

Chimo

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Posted 01/30/2011   2:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Forgot to mention in my last posting that I noticed that cancel reads "Briefzentrum" 30, or stamp central and was wondering if this stamp was not cancelled from it original place of sending and they cancelled it there before going on to the addressee??.

I understand that Germany has a few offices that cancel mail that have not been cancelled previously from the original post office of sending and maybe this is one of them??

Just a thought.

Chimo

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Posted 01/30/2011   3:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice stamp! I like the way they included the description in Swedish as well as German. Sweden issued a stamp with the same design at the same time as part of a set of three.

I'm afraid I've no idea about the zero date but I believe the cancellation is from the mail centre for the Hannover region (#30) in Pattensen.
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Posted 01/30/2011   8:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Beautifully SON.
Interesting,
There's a story there somewhere :)
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Posted 01/31/2011   01:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add danstamps54 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I asked a German collector/friend about the stamp. He called it a "Vorausentwertung" which, if my German is accurate, basically translates to a precancel. That would also explain the SON.

Hope that helps!
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Posted 01/31/2011   04:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add peterethio to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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There's a story there somewhere


That's exactly right Rod. Unfolding it makes stamp collecting fascinating for me.


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Beautifully SON.


I assume that means "Socked on the Nose." Please excuse my ignorance. This is also interesting as most post marks tie the stamp to the envelope. This one doesn't. It is almost too perfect.


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I asked a German collector/friend about the stamp. He called it a "Vorausentwertung" which, if my German is accurate, basically translates to a precancel. That would also explain the SON.


It does explain the 'Socked on the Nose'-ness of the stamp very well but it doesn't explain why so many of us have never seen it before, unless precancels are uncommon, or perhaps only new in Germany.
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Posted 01/31/2011   05:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I do not collect (and therefore know very little) about German stamps, but I did an image search on the internet and came up with this example from a discontinued web site:



By the look of this example, it seems to me it was the US equivalent to a mailer's postmark or precancel or from a similar mass mailing type of use. The date is the same, which leads me to believe that the original example is not particularly unique.

Hope it helps.
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Posted 01/31/2011   05:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add peterethio to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It adds quite a bit. Thanks wt1. Thanks to all the others too!
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Posted 01/31/2011   06:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great sleuths gentlemen, well done.
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Posted 01/31/2011   5:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Ryan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"Entgelt bezahlt" means "postage paid". In UPU terms, that's "taxe perçue" or "charge collected". It's the kind of thing you'd see from mass mailers who have a postal permit for sending mail into the stream without requiring them to go through the cancellation machines.

For those interested in the UPU's letter post regulations, I came across them while looking for a proper translation for "taxe perçue".

http://www.upu.int/en/activities/le...cuments.html

Ryan
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