US 10A And 11A - New Infomation 2-19-11

The other day someone was asking about US 10 versus 11 and Russ was offering a great explanation. I thought I would throw up a 10a on cover. The shots of course are front, back and stamp alone.
The second three shots are 11a front back and stamp alone - Jeff

I wonder if this could be the same person. The name/dates/location seem to fit:




If it is the same person, Mystic (CT) Seaport Museum seems to have a collection of his papers at this link:

http://library.mysticseaport.org/ma.../coll028.cfm

Very vice Boston small paid cancel.

Thank you Russ, it is one of my favorite pieces. I wish it did not have the rust lines though
- wt1 I have to check when I get home. I think some of the old ship manifest papers that I have are from the Ida McLeod. In fact I am almost sure of it. If you are interested in seeing them in person, email me. - eff

I have several ship manifests and paper from the brig Ian McLeod. I have not checked the others, but this is one of the ships referenced in the William Earle documents at Mystic (see wt1 post above). What is below is a piece of one of the larger documents; this one being a list of repairs. It reads:

Repairs
Brig Ian McLeod
at
New York, New Bedford
Havre, Cardiff
Cardemon(?), New York
+ Philadelphia
Settled from(?) 19/62 (1862)

Thanks to wt1 for the link above and tying up some of my papers, revenues and stampless covers that I have. If there is an interest I will figure out how to scan the pages (some are rather large) and post.
Jeff

jhlovell, or Russ, where is that 10 vs 11 discussion by Russ? The SCF search function isn't helping me find it. I'd like to get a 10 someday, but the "all the 10s you see are 11s" meme is really haunting me. Studying the two images by jhlovell, I'm looking at the corner triangles, and they seem pretty strong in both. The color? Can't see a difference. The button on George's collar, yeah, I guess a little stronger in the 10. The clearest difference is the strength of George's hair in the 10. This site http://home.comcast.net/~3cent1851/ob.htm talks about the cancel being a good indicator. So the 10's small Boston cancel makes it an easy ID. So is that the best way to shop for a 10, by the cancel?

otto, cancels that can be dated to the 10 usage dates are a real good way to tell. Stamps viewed in person are much easier to tell than those that are scanned due to loss of true color. In the scans post here the first (full cover) appears pretty close to the correct color on my monitor. The close-up appears more reddish copper. The plates used for the 10 were also used for the 11. Since the 10 was early printings the image is normally sharp as the plate was not yet subjected to much wear. A good way to buy from a scan is to request the 10 to be scanned next to known color images such as a 634 and 642. This allows you to get some color calibration to make a better judgement.
I think this is the discussion you were looking for. In the image the other stamps help to establish the amount of color variation much better than with a single stamp. https://goscf.com/t/12784
Edit: For Jeff's stamp the cancel made it very easy to ID.

A while back, I posted an image of a cover with the orange-brown shade. It was proven by the date of the cancellation. I can't locate the post, but someone gave the date that number 11 was issued. Perhaps someone can come up with that date again. My memory is shaky, but I think the month of the number 11 was in October and the orange brown was issued in July.

The Small Boston Paid is a dead giveaway that it's an Orange Brown. Here's one that I have with a red small boston paid, July 17th, 1851...

It's a very bad pic, the cover is a blue paper FL and the colors are actually quite fresh in hand.

Russ can you convert those numbers 634 and 642 to Scott numbers, cause I took a couple out of envelopes and the colors were not even close. (I was assuming Scott numbers, sorry).

More on the Willam Earle story. For those that have been following the story with wt1 link and my input. Here is another piece. This is a bill between William Earle and John A Townsend with the Revenue stamp attached and dated 15 Mar 1870. Great piece of ephemera. Especially (and I am currently checking this out), I think I just found my ggggrandfather (maybe ggggranduncle). I have been searching for him in vain for 20 years. So that is exciting for me. I think you Revenuers will like this piece as well though. - Jeff

I do agree that seeing in person would be the way to go. Unfortunately, seeing stamps in person is hard for me to do. The nearest dealer to me that I know of is MD Stamps, and that's like an hour away from here. With the kids, there's no way I can get away for that long. I resolved, therefore, that I wouldn't buy a 10 or 10A without a cert.

And here it is next to an 11A:



Up close and personal, it is so very obvious what the differences are. The color, the clarity, all there.

Nice stamp otto. Love the oldies. More charactes than an old French movie ( sorry Rod).

Hi is #11a on cover the same price as #11 on cover?

What is the earliest known use of the revenue r27ca,on document?