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Hello there,
A while back I had a gathered up these 2c. Washingtons and had a go at identifying them, got a little flustered and put them away. That was before I was a member of this excellent community! I came across them again today and would like to ask for some help with catalogue numbers, organizing tips, corrections, and any gerneral observations you may have about any of these stamps. I realize that this is a complex issue with many variables affecting the ID, and I hope my scans will provide a clear enough view for a general look-over. I would also be happy to provide a larger scan or a detailed enlargement of a particular item if anyone notices anything unique or worth noting.
Full Page with my notes:
Stamps Row #1:
Stamps Row #2:
Stamps Row #3:
Stamps Row #4:
Stamps Row #5:
Stamps Row #6:
Thanks for having a look! I appreciate your time and look forward to any and all feedback!
Have a Good One,
Skilo54
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Greetings, The Washington 2c issues of 1912-21 are probably the most frustrating of all US issues to identify so don't become frustrated. I'm no expert in this field but I think most will agree that you will have to post larger resolution images of each stamp to make an accurate guess as to what type they are. As for references that might assist you in your identification I would suggest the excellent free online resource: http://www.1847usa.com/washfrank/de.../d32perf.htm and I also use the Scott Identification Guide to U.S. Stamps (Regular Issues 1847-1934) which I've discovered to be far more useful than I first imagined though I'm sure some of the more experienced collectors out there will be able to point out some better references. -P.Bear |
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Hey Skilo, it's all in the watermarks, once you know if it's single line, Double line or no watermark the rest is downhill. |
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Thanks for the useful links and comments, I appreciate it. Do these handle lighter fluid alright? How much would this 'unchecked for watermarks' lot be worth to a collector?  |
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I have seen video of expertizers for high end auction houses (think $1x10^6 lots) using the stuff so I would feel confident, if not a little worried for personal health, when using it. |
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Excellent, Thanks for your help tomiseksj!
Edit** - Thank-you also for getting back to me about the lighter fluid panda.bear! |
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| Edited by skilo54 - 03/21/2011 9:37 pm |
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Skilo54, The 1908-1922 2 cent has 55 major and 29 minor catalog numbers and can be challenging. All the stamps you are showing are denomination in numeral from 1912 and later. All flat plate 2 cent numeral will be Type I or Ia. Rotary press stamps can be Types I, II or III. Offset printing stamps can be Types IV, V, Va, VI or VII. (perf 11x11 or imperf only)
The only watermark on these would be single line USPS (wmk190).
Row 1 Type III (rotary press) watermarked Scott 455, unwatermarked 492
Row 2 Perf 10x10 are Type I (Type Ia is perf 11x11 or imperf Schermark perf) watermarked is 425, unwatermarked is 463. Perf 11x11 type I are watermarked 461 (very rare), unwatermarked 499.
Row 3 Cannot be Type II if flat plate. Perf 12x12 is Type I watermarked Scott 406. Perf 10x10 is Type I watermarked is 425, unwatermarked is 463. 11x11 Flat plate can be Type I watermarked Scott 461 (very rare), unwatermaked 499. 11x11 flat plate can be Type Ia Scott 500 (rare). 11x11 Offset would be Scott 526-528B depending on type.
Row 4 Type III 11x11 would be rotary press Scott 546 (uncommon).
A little about sorting 2 cent denomination in numerals sheet stamps.
1. Separate perf 10x10, 12x12, 11x11 and 11x10
2. 12x12 are 406
3. Check watermark on 10x10 wmk is 425, unwmk is 463
4. Separate 11x11 by printing flat plate, rotary press or offset (Rotary press stamps are slightly larger than the flat plate, offset are smoother than flat or rotary)
5. 11x11 flat plate are Type I or Ia. Type I wmk is 461, unwmk is 499. Type Ia is 500.
6. 11x11 rotary press (coil waste) is Type III Scott 546
7. 11x11 offset are Types IV-VII (Scott 526-528B)
8. Perf 11x10 are rotary press coil waste Type II is 539 (Very rare), Type III is 540.
Hope this helps and post any problem stamps here for ID.
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Thanks for the superb information and taking the time to post your observations Russ. I truly appreciate it! I have went to the stamps and checked and organized them based on your info. I have scanned the changes and posted the rearranged page below: I have your(Russ) words in red, and my observations in blue. Row 1 Type III (rotary press) watermarked Scott 455, unwatermarked 492**All three show no watermark = #492Row 2 Perf 10x10 are Type I (Type Ia is perf 11x11 or imperf Schermark perf) watermarked is 425, unwatermarked is 463. Perf 11x11 type I are watermarked 461 (very rare), unwatermarked 499.
Row 3 Cannot be Type II if flat plate. Perf 12x12 is Type I watermarked Scott 406. Perf 10x10 is Type I watermarked is 425, unwatermarked is 463. 11x11 Flat plate can be Type I watermarked Scott 461 (very rare), unwatermaked 499. 11x11 flat plate can be Type Ia Scott 500 (rare). 11x11 Offset would be Scott 526-528B depending on type.**All Perf 10x10 show no watermark = #463
**All Perf 11x11 show no watermark = #499Row 4 Type III 11x11 would be rotary press Scott 546 (uncommon).
I am going to follow this reply with some better scans of the Perf 11x11 from row #4 and the Perf 12x12 from the original Row #3 to get some additional help with them. Thanks for the help folks, I really appreciate it!
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The 12x12 are Type I Scott 406.
The 10x10 on paper with May 30, 1916 date ia watermarked Scot 425 (Unwatermaked Scott 463 was not issued until Sept 1916).
The 11x11 on bottom row if it is Type III it would have to be rotary press 19.5-20mmX22mm (Flat palte would be 18.5-19mmX22mm)
The 11x11 top row are propably Type I unwatermaked Scott 499. |
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This is the Perf 11x11 stamp from row #4. It has no watermark and measures 19+ x 22. I remember having a hard time with this stamp before, as many of the details looked at for identifying seemed hard to view. I am hopeful someone with more exposure to these stamps can help with an ID with this one or the next two I will show:
These next two are Perf 12 x 12, neither stamp has a clear, readable watermark. The non perfinned stamp has a maybe single line 'S' that when viewed from the front of the stamp reads backwards and measures approx. 11-12 mm tall and about 5-6 mm at its widest. I do not see anything next to it that could represent an 'U' or a 'P'.
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Just read your post you snuck in there before my last one! Thanks Russ!
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Wow, that is interesting about the May 30 1916 stamp! I did the best I could to detect a watermark using all the little angle/light tricks I do with my GB/Downey Heads on piece and do not see a watermark. What would be the preferred method for determining this around these parts?
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It would be nice to have an ERD 2c. Washington!
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