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This cover is as seen just the front so not a complete folded letter or envelope type. I realize in 1835 adhesive stamps were not in use but can anyone give me details as to the hand stamp. This came as a bonus and I like it beter than the stamps that came with it. Is there a link for valuation or even approximate although I likley will keep this. Wish the writing was more legible. 
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This is "free frank" and they often survive like this as fronts because it was popular in Victorian times to paste them into albums as fronts to show off the autograph of the person who was entitled to free postage (on this one at the bottom left). I'm afraid I can't read it either. |
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Almost make out Muriell bottom left and second last line possibly duke of but can't figure last word. |
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Great example of a FREE mark. Members of Parliament were allowed free postage so could be worth looking at the "list" of members at that date. Researching the one below, I learned that it came from J. Hungerford Penruddocke who was elected 6th Feb 1821 and it was posted to Mr. Jas (James) Mitchell at the Post Office in the House of Commons, London April 1825 from Salisbury. The writing is difficult at first ... but persevere. I'd reckon these FREE marks on piece are worth at least 10 pounds and considerably more if you research them.  |
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Gotta love SCF for being able to re visit old post and bring back into new light. I'm still stumpped on the writting on this cover. |
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The "Collect British Postmarks" 5th Edition (1990) puts it at 1 pound since it's a cover front and not a complete cover - 2 pounds otherwise if it's a whole cover. That's their catalog value without any added value from the sender or receiver. There are variations of the crown types, but the catalog doesn't go into any deeper details than the note. The more expensive "Free" postmark is just an encircled "Free", but it was used in the 18th century. |
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Gadzooks, Scotzm I think you have it! I spent ages trawling through names and got nowhere. Now have you worked out the recipient?  Nope - I haven't. |
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Lord John Russell later served as Prime Minister in 1846-52 and 1865-66. I'd assume this would be a very collectable autograph.  |
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Holy Government batman-- First off a very big Thank you to Scotzm I would have never deciphered this one. Having your image with signature to add provenance is fantastic. I've seen signed documents from US historial figures reach extreme values but I'm also firmiliar with those names. Now I can research what Prime minister Russell did during his tenure and maybe add a bit more to this front and move it from its current lonely home in a plain stockbook. Now if someone can figure out the to whom this was sent I'd be estatic . From the poor writting I'd almost guess Lord Russell was a doctor but odds are Lawyer-- Off to google I go with a hop skip and jump. |
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Here is a quick glance into the life of Lord/ Earl/ Prime Minister John Russell. http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/PRrussell.htm Ironically many of the government reforms he was attempting to pass, read like watching CNN today and governMENTAL problems that still some century and a half later are problematic. With most of my ancestory being British its time for me to absorb a few history lessons. Thanks again for sparking this thread back up. |
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Actually... finding the sender was the easy bit for me. Not many MP's of that time had two "LL"s at the end in their name. Just a case of looking for lists of MPs from that era and comparing signatures... many people collect 19th century politicians correspondence. As to the recipient... more difficult but if the "piece" is part of an entire then the back will have some writing that can give clues... even if it is just to know how someone constructed a word. A photo of that would be good to see. Lord John Russell was a reasonably important figure at the time and is well worth more research. The example I posted of his signature is only one of a few that are available to see online. |
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Unfortunatly this is a front only and nothing on the back. Bottom line still reads to my eyes Duke of but I've tried solte, Nolte, Malta and can't find anything. The word over the stamp may be ESQ which would have been common and its tough to tell wether top line is 3 seperate words simular to "house of commons" in the signed image provided. Anyone know of historical museum in Uk that would have examples or studies of his writtings? |
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Nigel, I'm with you, it was the best I could make out that made sense. I also wondered if the line above is something then "Alderman"?  |
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