Se Tenant Definition Question

One of the requirements for the boy scout stamp collecting merit badge, is to show an example of a se tenant stamp.

While looking for examples, I noticed that some of the stamps make a picture. If you tear them apart, you lose part of the design. As in this example:




Other times, each stamp can stand on its own, as in this example:



Is there a term used to differentiate between the two types?

They are both defined as se tenants, correct?

Thank you in advance. I'm just wondering how detailed I need to get when explaining this to the scouts!

Aimee

Correct. Se-tenant (Seten,): (Fr.) (joined together), two or more unseparated stamps having different colors, denominations, or designs.

The other type you might be thinking of is, Tête-Bêche: (Fr., It., Sp.) a pair of stamps connected together with one stamp right side up, the other upside down.

I've always considered attached stamps that make up a complete picture to be se-tenant, such as the space stamps you scanned above. However, the proper description is any attached stamps with a different design, so technically that would include any stamps attached by perforations to another stamp of a different design. However, there again, the issue of modern-day pressure sensitive stamps of various designs cannot considered se-tenant as they are die cut and there are no perforations to hold the stamps together (except for the backing paper). So the definition can take many forms depending on who you talk to and/or what source you use.

Here's an except from a Linn's Stamp News "Refresher Course" that talks about the various definitions recognized within the hobby:

http://www.linns.com/howto/refreshe...rcourse.aspx

Further to other interesting replies,
here are some abstruse conditions for se-tenant (attached labels)
from "ask phil" website

Pair: 1: two of a kind; stamps that have not been separated, two attached stamps. 2:
paar: (Ger.); paire (Fr.); coppia, paio (It.); pareja (Sp.) 3: two se-tenant postage
stamps; understood to be se-tenant horizontally
Pair of full stamps with interpane gutter between: stamps printed in large formats and then incorrectly cut into panes; considered an error.

Pubs: (Fr.) Timbres de Publicité, Belgian and French booklets in which there are
advertising labels se tenant.

Se-tenant (Seten,): (Fr.) (joined together), two or more unseparated stamps having
different colors, denominations, or designs.

Spojka Svislá: (Czech.) vertical se-tenant gutter.

Let me add to this discussion the listing from the U.S. Stamp Society's Glossary of Terms for the Collector of United States Stamps:


Per the above, both examples Aimee provided would be considered se-tenant. This definition seems to eliminate the issue wt1 raised regarding self-adhesives not being attached to each other.

Note that the USSS describes its placement of the asterisk before the term as follows:

Thank you all for the most excellent information. After reading everything and looking at the links, there does not seem to be a specific term, then, to differentiate between the two types of se-tenants (ones that the design can stand alone and ones where you separate the design when the stamps are torn apart.)

What I was thinking, was that when a beginner finds a single stamp from the space set posted above, he knows immediately that that there is something "going on" because there only 3 white edges.

If he found one of the "The National Postal Museum" stamps by itself, he would never know it was a se-tenant unless he happened to look it up.

I guess I am just nit-picking now, lol. I want to make sure I've done enough research before this upcoming scout workshop. This will be the second one I've done and it will be in a different city with strangers (who happen to be scout stamp collectors) helping out. I'm starting to get nervous about the whole thing!