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Another ID Check - Is There A Way To Tell What This Is? #9?

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Posted 07/21/2011   3:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add JanS to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Is there a way to ID this?
Thanks.

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Posted 07/21/2011   5:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A higher resolution image would help..

and you can go here: http://www.slingshotvenus.com/Frank...hv_Main.html
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Posted 07/21/2011   5:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Russ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jan, it is a Type IV (Scott 9) recut twice on the top but I am not sure about the bottom from this scan (appears recut once on bottom?). The left side of the portrait oval show what may be a double transfer. Could you post a higher resolution scan?
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Posted 07/21/2011   8:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JanS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would love to get your further input, but I don't really know how to improve resolution. I tried using the image optimizer in the posting software ... this is what I can get:




Is that ok? If not, can you tell me what I need to do? I have an all-in-one type printer/fax/scanner and it's relatively new so I am not very handy with it.
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Posted 07/21/2011   11:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nitrolures to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jan-- Congrats on reaching the over 50 post club. Not that there isn't other options for scans but what I find the easiest is scanning at minimum 600x600dpi (should be drop down menu on the scan page ) and use photobucket to host the image. Advantage of photobucket is you can maitain the high file size and reduce the file size on your personal files. Photobucket will generate an image code automatically that you simply paste in your messages here . I copied your original and bumped the size up . I enjoy learning about this issue so hope this helps .
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Posted 07/24/2011   8:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JanS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, nitrolures - both for the 50 post shout-out and for the re-scan.

Can Russ (or anyone) confirm Russ's original thought on the stamp:

"Jan, it is a Type IV (Scott 9) recut twice on the top but I am not sure about the bottom from this scan (appears recut once on bottom?). The left side of the portrait oval show what may be a double transfer."

I am not too sure what recut means: is that a ref. to the darker lines over POSTAGE in the center of the oval? If so, it looks to me like there is one on the outer rim below ONE CENT??

As for double transfer, I can't begin to guess.

Are any of these really bad news?

Thanks, as ever.
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Posted 08/06/2011   07:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nuggethill to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
G'Day Jan and welcome to the forum

Has any one got back to you on your stamp

have you read about why stamps get re-cut ?

also you need to be a sort of an expert

at I.Ding Franklin's,

so I suggest Stampvirgin

this would be the bloke you need.
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Posted 08/13/2011   12:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
*bump* I want to see what this is too as I'm also currently into I.D.-ing these too.
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Posted 08/13/2011   1:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I believe it is a #9 Plate 1 late, as all #9's come from this plate. It is recut once at the top and the bottom. This looks like it is re-cut twice at the bottom, if so, it would be a rarer version.
Becuase of the possible double recut on the bottom I would send it to bill weiss.
The following is an excerpt from slingshotvenus plating website:

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Plate 1 Late
This plate is unique among 1ยข plates. As plate one in it's original state began to show wear, the printers decided to extend the life of the plate by employing the original transfer roll and re-entering each and every position, thus strengthening the design. As the top and bottom outer curved lines were still not strong enough, each line that needed strenngthening was recut by hand. All but one of the 200 positions received this attention. This lone stamp is Position 4R1L, a Type II. The remaining positions are all Type IV. This reworked plate is refered to as Plate One in the late state or simply Plate One Late.

The Recutting of the Curved Outer Lines

Type IV (Scott No. 9) stamps have re-cutting of one of the four curved lines at either the top or the bottom of the design. All type IV stamps have either the top or bottom line re-cut or both of them re-cut. Stamps that have either the top or bottom inner lines re-cut will always also have an outer line re-cut. There are seven different combinations available, all produced from from plate 1 in it's late state. Stamps with double re-cuts (two lines at the top or bottom) are more rare than stamps with only one line re-cut at the top or bottom or both. Knowledge of this aspect is important for several reasons: to know if a stamp is recut in order to determine if it is indeed a Type IV and differentiate it from other types, to be able to collect at least one of the seven different recut varieties. And for the more advanced collector, to have the capability to plate the stamps and thus reconstruct and re-assemble the complete pane and plate.
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Posted 08/13/2011   1:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
btw... Russ and others are MUCH better at identifying these then I am. Though I thank you for the vote of confidence.
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Posted 08/13/2011   1:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
and Harry!! Welcome back... You have been missed.
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Posted 08/13/2011   7:35 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The stamp is without question a type IV, scott #9. It appears to have been recut twice at top and once at bottom. There are only four such combinations on Plate 1L. This stamp does not appear to be any of those positions. So, the verdict.... the stamp is a #9 and the image is too poor to say anymore.
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Posted 08/13/2011   11:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bfranton to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Echo the welcome back to Harry! And thanks for the beautiful scan! associated data.
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Posted 09/10/2011   04:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JanS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I apologize to all who were watching and learning from this thread -- somehow I managed to miss the last few posts (actually, now I think, I was on vacation the second week of August, so that is probably how I dropped the ball).

Here is a new scan of the stamp, with 600 DPI resolution. I would love to know if this enables the experts to tell more about the stamp.

Recap (I've cut out the bits where everyone requested a better scan):

Russ: Type IV (Scott 9) recut twice on the top but I am not sure about the bottom from this scan (appears recut once on bottom?). The left side of the portrait oval show what may be a double transfer.

stampvirgin: I believe it is a #9 Plate 1 late, as all #9's come from this plate. It is recut once at the top and the bottom. This looks like it is re-cut twice at the bottom, if so, it would be a rarer version.

sinclair2010: The stamp is without question a type IV, scott #9. It appears to have been recut twice at top and once at bottom. There are only four such combinations on Plate 1L. This stamp does not appear to be any of those positions.

EDIT: If a scan of a specific part would be useful, I would happily try.

Thank you!

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Posted 09/10/2011   9:16 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jan, a 1200 dpi scan is really what is required to work on any of the 1c stamps. It appears to be recut twice at top and once at bottom yet the four positions with that recut combination don't match your stamp. What that means is it is probably not recut the way it appears and only a better scan will tell.
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Posted 09/11/2011   11:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sinclair.. you disagree that is was recut twice on the bottom?
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