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Posted 08/17/2011   4:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Yirmeyahu to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have a handful of U.S. FDCs that I'm not particularly enamored with. The main reason being that they are processed by an FDC factory, i.e. the U.S. post office.

Is it possible to collect only FDC's that occur naturally, i.e. covers mailed with a stamp on its first day of issue from person-to-person (business-to-individual or vice-versa might be other varieties)?

If so, does anyone here do this type of collecting? I would be interested in learning how it's done and what hunting methods are used!
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Posted 08/17/2011   4:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Historically, there had been strict rules governing first day covers and that one had to prepare covers and send them (with a remittance check) to the Postmaster at the First Day of Issue city, to request a cancellation. That fell away several years ago, when the post office decided they no longer would issue a stamp in the first day city only and nationwide the next (they probably didn't want to be bothered with small remittances and all of the work to affix stamps to covers).

As a result, we have today's way of doing things in that all new issues are released nationwide on the first day of issue and collectors are "encouraged" to purchase and apply their own stamps to covers and send them in for cancellation within 60 days. You can also purchase the covers fully serviced (but uncacheted) through the USPS Stamp Fulfillment Service, although at a slight markup in price.

As a result of these changes, by and large, today's first day covers are mostly "fakes". I suspect that very few of the total covers get postmarked on the actual "first day of issue" and to my knowledge, there is no way to tell which ones were processed on the actual "first day of issue" versus ones that get backstamped with that special cancellation for collecting purposes within the 60 day grace period.

Although unofficial, and having no relevance to the stamp in general, I try to buy most new issues at my local post office on the first day of release, then affix some stamps to covers and mail them to myself. They don't have the "first day of issue" cancel, but they do have a dated cancel that could not have occurred other than having been mailed on the actual "first day of issue", so that can be a gratifying sub-collection to aim for. Of course, one has to endure the poorly printed spray-on cancels that make up the majority of today's postmarks.

You could ask the postal clerk in your post office to handstamp the covers for you, but if they hand them back to you, is the cover really a first day cancellation, since it did not really enter the postal mailstream?

A first day of issue cancellation means different things to different collectors and (we've said it many times before) there's no right or wrong way to collect them, just keep in mind that as a collectible, they are typically worth only pennies, no matter how much postage is affixed or what the catalog has to say in terms of value.

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Posted 08/17/2011   4:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Yirmeyahu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow. Thanks wt1. A bit discouraging, however, maybe I am showing my "latent" interest in collecting covers of any type. Interested to see what others have to say on the subject, particularly in the arena of non-U.S. post offices and their regulatory histories.
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Posted 08/17/2011   5:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have a couple of "natural" FDCs from before they implemented the "First Day" machine cancel. I will see if I can find some when I am back in my Philatelic Stronghold (home).
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Posted 08/17/2011   6:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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my Philatelic Stronghold.



To most collectors, it would be their Fortress of Solitude.


Back to the topic at hand, for older stamps, you can be searching for the "earliest known use" of a given stamp, which is something that is tracked by specialists. (The exact date of issue is not always known.)

In theory, the earliest possible use would be a first day cover used on the first day of issue, though stamps used prior to official release are floating around out there.

It almost seems like you would have to specialize in only a few issues, or you would be constantly jumping back and forth between catalogues and dealer boxes, comparing postmarks and issue dates. I like the way you're thinking, though.

My 2d.
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Posted 08/17/2011   6:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'll grab civil war, WW I & WW II patriotic covers but that's about it anymore. They take up too much space in my collection and my den! lol
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Posted 08/17/2011   11:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Some "naturals"





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Posted 08/18/2011   10:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Yirmeyahu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice examples smauggie. I like the 3rd and 4th covers the best as they do not have a cachet, but show postmarks from the relevant city or state. Did you acquire these by accident or were you specifically looking for covers with the first use/first day of issue?
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Posted 08/18/2011   10:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I like the earlier FDCs, Yirmeyahu. So yeah, I intentionally purchased them (at least one I purchased from Stampvirgin).
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Posted 08/18/2011   11:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperdude to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I do have some natural FDC's and even a few from the official ceremonies I've been able to attend. Tomorrow I will be servicing some for the Send A Hello series featuring Disney Pixar characters. I also will be recieving some from friends across the country on covers and postcards for my Route 66 collection using my Avatar's image.
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Posted 08/18/2011   12:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BlackJag to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A Canadian example from 1947. My scan cut off the very top of the image.

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Posted 08/18/2011   12:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jhlovell to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
you did mean 1937, didn't you blackjag? :)
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Posted 08/18/2011   12:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's always been frustrating for me to have cacheted covers without signatures or company initials to determine the cachetmaker. Therefore, for anyone interested, the cacheted covers noted in the first two scans (#736 - Maryland) is a Planty #7A (F.R. Rice Cachet); the second scan (#775 - Michigan) is a Planty #19 (Harry Ioor Cachet).

Both were popular cachetmakers in their day.
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Posted 08/18/2011   12:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, WT1. I had never heard of the cachetmaker F. R. Rice. I really like the Ioor cachet.
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Posted 08/18/2011   1:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Another little detail about the F. R. Rice cachet:

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Posted 08/18/2011   1:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not my research, but yet an interesting commentary on the cachetmaker, F.R. Rice. (See what research one can find out from a seemingly common first day cover!):


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Rice Cachets were published in Washington DC from 1932 to 1941 by a husband and wife team, Frederick R. and Wilna C. Rice (née Wilna Carolyn Vermillion). Wilna's first name is often misspelled "Wilma" in the FDC literature.

The First Rice Cachets were for the Washington Bicentennial Issue #704/715-3, and #U523/528-NIM, issued 1/1/32. (Monty et al., First Cachets Revealed, 2006, pp. 32, 629; Mellone, Planty Vol. III, 1995, p. 90). About 75% of Rice Cachets feature a standard motif consisting of a circle and seven-sided rosette surrounding illustrations and text relevant to the subject of the stamp for which the cachet is prepared. (Mellone and Newton, 1979, p. 45). Rice's first gold seal design was for an event cover (Anmuth, 1987, p. 352) rather than for an FDC; he initiated the gold seal design for FDCs on #724 and #725 Penn and Webster issues of 10/24/32,

At the time of the 1930 Census the Rices resided in a house which they owned, worth $9000, at 126 Linden Avenue (the numbering of addresses on Linden Ave has since changed), Ballston, Arlington VA, with a mailing address at P. O. Box 7, Arlington, VA. Frederick was employed as an Asst Cashier at the Veteran's Bureau in Washington, with a salary of $6793 in 1930. Wilna was employed as a Clerk in a "Gov. Office." (Perhaps Wilna Rice, like Madeline Nickles, worked at the Post Office Dept (does anyone know?). (1930 U.S. Census for Arlington VA

Frederick was born 1/17/1895 in Springfield, Massachusetts and Wilna was born 10/30/1894 in Kansas, and they married in 1908. Frederick was a World War I Veteran. At the time of the 1920 Census the Rices lived in Washington D.C. with Wilna's parents, John and Mary Vermillion. A year later Frederick and Wilna had a son Frederick R. Rice Jr., born 1921, (1930 U.S. Census, Arlington VA, Sheet 6 lines 50-51, accessed through ancestry.com 6/22/10)

"Rice not only produced cachets for almost every issued from 1932 to 1941, but was active in other areas of the hobby. He was the Washington correspondent for Western Stamp Collector as well as a frequent contributor to Linn's. He served as a director of the S.P.A. and also was president of the Collector's Club of Washington. . . . Like most other cachetmakers of that period, Rice did not earn a full time income from his cachetmaking and servicing of First Day Covers. With others such as Roessler, Crosby, and Gorham he did help build the foundation to make this aspect of the hobby as popular as it is today. . . . Living in the Washington area enabled Rice to obtain second day cancellations in DC for most issues. He frequently had his covers canceled on ships that were stationed in the area when a new stamp was issued. He had friends in the Post Office Department and was able to obtain information concerning new stamps, frequently before others. This enabled him to publish and distribute Rice's Weekly Postal News. This was a postcard size newsletter that reported the latest philatelic information from Washington." (Anmuth, 1987, pp. 351-2). Rice popularized the practice of collecting unaddressed FDCs, to the point where he is considered to be almost single-handedly responsible for the so-called "unaddressed premium." (Herst, 1993, p. 66)

Monty et al., First Cachets Revealed, 2006, p. 32, displays the Last Rice Cachet as #903-23, 3c Vermont Statehood, issued 3/4/41 (Mellone, FDCs of the 1940s, 2006, p. 36), but according to Wayne Anmuth, Rice produced later Cachets for the #C25/C31 Airplane Transport Series, the 50c value of which was issued 10/29/41. (See Anmuth, 1987, p. 352). I have a copy of a Rice #C30-20 (30c issued 9/25/41) and have seen a #C31 (50c issued 10/29/41) with the same kind of Rice cachet pictured as #C30-20 in Mellone, FDCs of the 1940s, 2006, p. 256). Rice retired to Florida after the C31 was issued on 10/29/41. (Anmuth, p. 352), where Frederick and Wilna lived at Ft. Myers Beach, Lee County, Fl 33931. Frederick Rice died 1/1/73 and Wilna died 2/19/76. (Social Security Death Records accessed through Ancestry.com, visited 6/22/10) Their son Frederick R. Rice, Jr., is listed a living member of the Stone Family Tree on Ancestry.com, with data hidden, and would be about 90 yeas old in 2010. (Ancestry.com, visited 6/22/10).

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