Precancel ID Help - Elgin, Il, Waterloo, IA And NY Sta H

I would appreciate any help in properly identifying these precancel types:

Three Bar - Elgin, Ills.:


Imperf - Waterloo, IA (was it common to precancel an imperforate stamp?)


New York - Sta. H. (not sure if this is a Type L-1 or L-2):


Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

How common is the abbreviation "ILLS" for Illinois. I don't think I have ever seen it abbreviated that way.

Only in precancel land, I should think, but I seem to recall seeing several of Types using it (just a few among the many, many different Illinois types).

Found a couple of more Elgin, "Ills." precancels I didn't even know I had. I suspect their either L-1TS or L-2TS. Does anyone know for sure?

I won't have access to my catalogs until tomorrow evening sometime, but in the interim I'll just say that I really like the Elgin, Ills precancels. One of the things I enjoy about precancels is reading up on the various towns that in most cases I probably would have never learned about had I not come in contact with a precanceled stamp. In the case of Elgin, Illinois some might enjoy reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elgin,_Illinois

Interesting place it seems!

wt1,

If you don't get an answer before I get back home I'll take a look tomorrow night and reply again. Great pics!

The Elgin, Ills, is type L-1, New York-H is L-2, H was also known as Grand Central Station!

The Waterloo, Iowa is a Type 212 & is known imperf. Scott #385.
In my Hoover Catalogue 1940, Pt.1 that stamp is valued at $10.00.

Thanks for the precancel identification help.

I still have a hard time visualizing how a mass mailer would have benefited from using precanceled imperforate stamps as in the Waterloo, Iowa example. Maybe that is why it a not-so-common variety. In any event, I think that imperforate stamp is Scott #383 (Scott #385 is a coil stamp).

Typo!

The Waterloo imperforate listed in Hoover is not this one. There is no imperf on the PSS-212, and this would be Scott 408 or 481 anyway. It would be a nice unlisted find if authentic. There is some chance it is a perforated stamp with the perfs trimmed off, there is a suggestion of perforations at the bottom right. You need to check this one carefully.

First, let me apologize as I didn't realize I posted that Waterloo, IA precancel some months back which met with the same basic response.

Since it has been suggested that the stamp was trimmed and not a true imperf. variety, I removed it from the album page it was on and placed the stamp on a dark background and scanned it a bit sharper. Here are the results (including upper left and bottom right close ups). I believe this does indicate that the stamp was trimmed, as I don't know of any other reason it would give this appearance.



I would welcome any comments. Thanks.

If you take out a perforation gauge, you will find the suspect indentations match either perf-10, 11, or 12.

Here's a new Elgin listing on ebay (03 Sep)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Classic-Pre..._1131wt_1270