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OK I'm Really Confused By A Scott Listing (730,731 & 766,767

 
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Posted 09/08/2011   4:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Like the title says... I was looking up in the scott catalog #'s 730 & 731 and noticed it also referred me to #766 & 767. Did they reproduce these or what? Variation possibly? Yup to me that's a "head scratcher"

(Yes, these are mine)






Edited: I put wrong scott number by accident
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Posted 09/08/2011   4:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Does 766 & 767 refer "gutter blocks" and other collectible positions from the 730 & 731 panes? That's almost got to be what's going on unless there was another run of each which I never heard of anyway? Any ideas on this?
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Posted 09/08/2011   4:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
First of all, I think you're referring to Scott 730 and 731 versus Scott 766 and 767 (the Century of Progress souvenir sheets). Scott 732 was not a souvenir sheet, but a perforated regular issue stamp.

Anyway, your question is basically covering the scandal of the 1930's known as "Farley's Follies". Here's a brief explanation of the varieties:

http://www.1847usa.com/Farleys/1cCenturySheet.htm

http://www.1847usa.com/Farleys/3cCenturySheet.htm
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Posted 09/08/2011   4:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, that was just a type-o on my part sorry but why are they listed seperately. In the scott catalog the souviner sheets 730-731 are shown as imperforated and just above the listings for 766, 766a & 767, 767a it says imperf in bold letters. Now on the farley follies I know that somehow (either James Farley on his own ambition or weather Pres. Roosevelt asked him to do it) that the national park series was printed w/o perforations and gum? as a keepsake for our philatelist President and caused a giant uproar in the stamp collecting community...but I didn't think these were involved. so with both the National Parks issues and these are all involved in this?

So basically if their is no wide margin or HG/L, VG/L, AGL, & CG/L Then it's NOT a farley's folly but rather just his "run of the mill" souviner sheet?

Now, am I closer to getting it?
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Posted 09/08/2011   5:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As far as I understand it, if you don't have the full souvenir sheet, or gutters with wide margins, the stamps are indistinguishable, therefore, as a collectible the issues are impossible to tell apart unless the gutters or wide margins are there to differentiate them.
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Posted 09/08/2011   5:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
so the devil is in the details eh? I can't believe I didn't know that considering I love those particular issues so much. I better go go learn more about this subject. Thank you.
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Posted 09/08/2011   5:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Russ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Century of Progress panes of 25 were printed from plates of 225 subjects in 9 panes of 25 each. Three plates were made for each denomination
1 cent Plates 21145, 21159 and 21143.
3 cent Plates 21146. 21160 and 21144.
Plates 21143 and 21144 were never put to press.

For the 730 & 731 plates 21145 and 21146 were used for printing at the model post office at the expo and plates 21159 and 21160 were used for printing at the Bureau of Engraving and Printing. The sheets were cut into 9 panes before being sold.

The re-issue 766 & 767 were printed from the same plates with all printings done at BEP and were distrubutes as sheets of 225.

The printing quantities were
730 456,704 panes of 25 11,417,600 stamps total
731 441,172 panes of 25 11,029,300 stamps total
766 10,968 sheets of 225 2,467,800 stamps total
767 9,546 sheets of 225 2,147,850 stamps total

With the lower quantity printing being the 766 & 767 all stamps without the identifying gutters are priced as 730 & 731.

The plate layout is shown below


Certified plate proof 3 cent Plate 21146
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Posted 09/08/2011   5:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah I think I have a better grasp on everything now. Thank you all for the tutelage and clarification on and of the subject of James A. Farley. I also found a pretty informative website about all this and maybe you would enjoy it as well.

http://arago.si.edu/flash/?slide=1|eid=8|s1=6|


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Posted 09/09/2011   05:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rohumpy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have had this question for a long time. It is my understanding, after reading the note in Scott Specialized, that if you have a souvenir sheet in front of you and that is all you have, you can't tell if it is the original issue or the Farley issue. The only positive identification of the Farley Century of Progress souvenir sheets is in gutter pairs (Or larger multiple) or the crossed gutter blocks.

Am I correct?
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Posted 09/09/2011   08:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes you are correct but they are ALL James A Farley issues just not all FOLLIES. Get it? I'm glad I'm not the only one that wasn't positive on this! haha
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