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Posted 10/31/2011   12:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I cannot see the red arrows. I'm color blind.


Based on this you might add a button to change arrow color. I think this might be a 1st as I have never noticed it on any Philatelic website.
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Posted 10/31/2011   12:55 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There's no need to be snarky. You didn't mention in your post that you had a visibility disorder. Now that you mention it, I do recall you mentioning it in another thread somewhere, but I'm sorry that I don't keep a list of everyone's infirmities and automatically remember who has what. There's too many usernames on too many message boards for that.

If you had simply stated "Can you explain what you did? I can't see the difference because I'm colorblind" I would have replied.

By just saying "What did you do" without any context whatsoever, I had no idea what you were talking about.

I'm happy to provide additional information, but by going around automatically assuming that everyone knows (and remembers) that you have a vision problem, you're not helping matters any.

Now as far as a contrasting arrow color, would yellow or orange be a better choice for your visibility?
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Posted 10/31/2011   01:02 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Based on this you might add a button to change arrow color. I think this might be a 1st as I have never noticed it on any Philatelic website.


This starts making things way more complicated. I'd rather find out if there's a contrasting color that will work for people that are colorblind and use it for all images than developing and keeping track of multiple versions.

The other potential downside to using a rollover or other non-self-contained method, is that's fine and dandy for a page that has 1 or 2 images on it, but think of a reference site where a page might have 10-20 images on it. All of a sudden it becomes a little less nontrivial to keep tracak of everything if you're not using an animated GIF...
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Posted 10/31/2011   05:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rohumpy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I personally prefer the version without the flashing arrows. Solution---do both, one with and one without. The flashing arrows are distracting to seeing the stamp. A version with just the arrows (static and not flashing) would let the viewer know what to look for in the non arrow stamp.

I would think the color of the arrows would have to vary, depending on the color of the stamp.

Just my take on the question.
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Edited by rohumpy - 10/31/2011 05:40 am
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Posted 10/31/2011   07:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ncbuckeye to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I like the small arrows very much. It gives an excellent example of what to look for and where.

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The only argument I have against using gif files, is that I often save images for my digital library ... esp for references on colors and shades.

If you right click and save the image, it will save just fine (in this case as a gif file). You just do not get the blinking arrows. Using a photo editor (I used photoscape which is free) you can load the image and save as a jpg, etc.
Also keep in mind that the chromatic result of ink pigment on a stamp is analog. Based on the pigments used, the color can take on virtually any hue, shade, etc. whereas color on a computer (or printer) is digital which can lead to slight changes in what you see on screen or print compared to the actual stamp.

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Posted 10/31/2011   08:15 am  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Rileysan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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By just saying "What did you do" without any context whatsoever, I had no idea what you were talking about.


Impossible to give a context when I don't know what I'm looking for. For all I know, you gave George googly eyes.

I don't mean to come across as snarky, curt, or rude. It is the reality of the world I live in. I see things differently than others and I have to ask what seem like obvious or stupid questions ... which often get ignored, or brushed aside as 'snarky'. Nor do I expect you, or anyone else to remember who is colorblind, infirmed, or headless (today is Halloween, afterall).



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Based on this you might add a button to change arrow color


Is this something I can do? I'd love to know how.

Brian
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Posted 10/31/2011   08:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ncbuckeye to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rileysan - being colorblind means that you see every stamp in a different color and hue than one with full color vision. I can only symphasize with you when discussing stamp color variations and I am now aware that when my discussions of color isn't always interpreted the same as I see it.
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Posted 10/31/2011   08:51 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
From posting here and on several other boards, people are all over the map as to which format is preferable:

1. Arrows (with fade. the first iteration with flashing arrows is right out)
2. Blocks
3. Make the actual doubling be what animates (far too labor intensive to use on an ongoing basis; also I don't trust my artistic abilities to make them look consistently good)
4. Just show 2 static images, 1 with and 1 without arrows
5. Use a CSS rollover instead (not portable, won't work on message boards)

For those who have issues with GIF's limited color palette, color depth or accuracy are not what these images are meant to convey. I don't plan to use GIF to replace the images on my site. For a reference page on varieties (or a message board post about a variety), however, where the point is to show the specific diagnostic areas for a given variety, the GIF format is perfect.

At the moment I'm leaning towards going back to the arrows with the fade, but perhaps using an arrow color other than red (yellow perhaps?) so that people with colorblindness can still utilize the images.
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Posted 10/31/2011   09:20 am  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Rileysan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I can only symphasize with you when discussing stamp color variations


My stockbooks are a kaleidoscope of color variations that I cannot identify. With my luck, I have a US 233a somewhere in my collection and I'd never know it ... ce la vie. I still love the hobby.

I can't expect SCF members to accommodate my every need, but I am asking for a little understanding when responding (or not responding) to questions that seem obvious to a rest of the world.

Thanks!

Brian
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Posted 10/31/2011   09:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OK, I have read all the posts (twice for accuracy) here is what might be the best solution as expressed by rohumpy, 2 static images. One with arrows and one without. Remember the old saying "you can't make everyone happy all of the time." After all you are asking a group of individuals who can argue the shade of a color for days for their opinions! I do include Myself in this group of course.

edit: Typo
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Edited by revstampman - 10/31/2011 09:28 am
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Posted 10/31/2011   09:31 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I am asking for a little understanding when responding (or not responding) to questions that seem obvious to a rest of the world.


*sigh*

And all I am asking is that when you ask a question, that you include the information WHY you are asking. To everyone else, the changes were apparent because they could see them. It wasn't obvious (to me at least) what you were asking or why, so I had no idea how to respond. Your question, as tersely stated as it was, didn't make any sense to me.

I'll reiterate my follow-up question: Do yellow or orange as an arrow color work better with your colorblindness?
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Posted 10/31/2011   09:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jhlovell to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
revenuecollector. Great idea but to be honest from my side, if I am looking for something that you are pointing out on a stamp, I don't want the arrow to keep disappearing and reappearing. I think the arrows are great for identification, but the flashing makes me wait to really see where it is pointing on the stamp and showing me the differences. Maybe it is just me, but it's my thought. Like the arrow and descriptions immensely though - jeff
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Posted 10/31/2011   10:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add artlaunier to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
JMO, but the KISS method has worked for years and I would think it would work for your needs as well. Solid arrows, any color, no blinking, fading or extras.

Art

I'm on broadband just an older laptop.
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Posted 10/31/2011   10:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jhlovell to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
yellow is always better for me than orange, but it does not make a big dif in my color blind status! jeff
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Posted 10/31/2011   12:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jkjblue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'll preface this with the comment that it is your post, revenuecollector, so you can do anything you want.

But if you are soliciting opinions, here is another one..
I definitely prefer static arrows ( no blinking neon )- for me it is much easier on the eyes, and less distracting.

As far as colorblindness, about 10% of males have it-found on the X chromosome - a not insignificant number. Red/green is the most common type.

Here is a reference about 'safe" colors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego..._blind_users
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