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Posted 11/07/2011   8:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add PoStat4evR to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I can across this "Formular" Postal Stationery item this past weekend.

I have searched and I have searched for any country using this coat of arms. I don't read Cyrillic so the words are little help in ID-ing this.

I assume it is Eastern Europe/Russian province in origin, but until I can find the coat of arms to prove it, this is all still a theory.

Can any of you help with the possible country of origin? Don't make me go through my volumes of Higgins & Gage looking for it...







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Posted 11/07/2011   9:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Serbia circa 1838-82
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Posted 11/07/2011   9:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PoStat4evR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much, you have saved me many hours. And yes, going to the Higgins & Gage Serbia section, the lettering agrees. However this is before postal cards became real (1873) so it is not listed. Pity. Thanks again.
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Posted 11/07/2011   9:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
However this is before postal cards became real (1873)


Can you explain this please? I don't understand.

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Posted 11/07/2011   10:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PoStat4evR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Serbia started to release printed stamped postal stationery in 1873. A formular card was used before that period, and usually resulted in early stamped or maybe "stampless" covers.

The first Serbia Postal card had a 10 para violet imprinted stamp as part of the design.

This item folds out to form a writing surface on the interior of the unfolded sheet.

We all know that countries had "mail" before stamps were issued. This is one of those items. The first Serbian stamp was issued in 1866. They would have used a stamp on this letter sheet between 1866 and 1873. Prior to that date, a stampless "fee paid (or something similar)" marking would have been used.

Hope this helps.
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Posted 11/08/2011   02:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I wonder if this would have been delivered free of charge as an official military card.
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Posted 11/08/2011   07:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PoStat4evR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good thought nigelc. If the writing "Bojho" means anything like "military" you could be correct. Looking in H&G under Serbian Military items, it mentions an overprint on later items "Bojeha Nowta" which was applied to postal cards during the Serbo-Turk war of 18 something for miltary (feldpost) use cards.
SO... if one loosely associate the spellings of the two, we may indeed have a military mail item.
If we could find a person on the group that speaks Serbian, we might have an answer.
Google translate, doesn't like the word or any derivations of it, so that was no help.
Thanks for idea...
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Posted 11/08/2011   08:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kuhli to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
translates as "Military Traffic Card"

Google doesn't recognize the word Bojho, because it is Cyrillic, with the Latin text actually being Vojno.

The full text in Latin is "VOJNO SAOBRA#262;AJNA KARTA"
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Edited by kuhli - 11/08/2011 08:54 am
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Posted 11/08/2011   10:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PoStat4evR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you. It is so simple when one knows how to translate it.
I appreciate the help.
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Posted 11/08/2011   1:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Trainwreck to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just for the fun of it, I translated the bold print on the back of the card using Google as "This card can be used [by] the military authorities for a brief official correspondence."
Regards, Robert
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