Salvador : El Salvador : Barred Es Wheel Pmks.

First time I have come across these,
Remainders?
CTO?
I cannot spot any reference to them
(The Pmks or cancellation type) in Gibbons.

Hi Rodney

I do not have a Stanley Gibbons catalog for Central America. But from my Scott and Minkus Catalogs (I marked the stamps you show in red):

1910 Feb 7-Oct
Fernando Figuerosa, president 1907-1911
Engraved
Perf 11.5
watermarked with a honeycomb pattern
Scott Catalog Numbers
(centers in black)

(Mint and Used 20 cents US)
378   1c sepia
379   2c dark green 
380   3c orange
381   4c carmine
381a  4c scarlet   
382   5c purple
383   6c scarlet
384   10c purple
385   12c deep blue
386   17c olive green
387   19c brown red
388   29c chocolate
389   50c yellow
390   100c turquoise blue

Also
Postage Due (Inscribed FRANQUEO DEFICIANTE) J81-J87
Official (inscribed OFICIAL) O293-O304

If you wish details for the Postage Due and Official, send me an e-mail and I'll send you the information.

Jerry B

Jerry,
kick me in the butt will you?

Sorry, I was referring to the cancel marks,
it looks bold and ugly without dates etc.
It doesn't appear to me to be a regular cancel.

Being that you specialise in South America, have you seen them before?

I apologise for causing you unnecessary work

G'Day Rodney

Bend over for another butt kick. El Salvador is Central America and NOT South America

As far as cancels are concerned I have seen cancels that really are clear all the way to cancels that look like these. For instance, some Colombian SCADTA cancels are worse than these, just big black blobs.

Io with Latin America expect really bad cancels from a lot of the countries.

I hope that helps.

Jerry B

Sheesh
Apologies to all El Salvadorians

So those ES cancels are normal postage cancellations,
who would have thought!

Thanks Jerry,

Hi Rodney

OOPS! I have to take back that last kick. I did not see the ES in the scans

I looked through my Minkus, which is pretty good for Latin America, and could find no overprint or reference like that shown. So, I am assuming that it is a cancel with the ES for El Salvador. A good clue is the bottom left stamp with 2 strikes. If it was a misplaced overprint, happens a lot on Latin America stamps, it would be impossible to be in the positions shown.

Jerry B

How do you take back a kick in the butt

So, now I have your attention.

I recall the barred 'remainders" of Labuan
I have a feeling these could be the same,
I don't recall ever seeing a cover with such a aggressive cancel.

One to place on the curiosity list Jerry.
I think you are our only central american specialist.

Hi Rodney

When I get to the store I will have a look at El Salvador and see if there are cancels like yours.

Jerry B
(P.S. I still can't see the ES)

OK then
employing a sticky pad
can you see the ES as yet?

Solved.
It is a genuine forme cancel referred to as a "wheel" cancel.

Lots of examples on the web, with references to "remainders" and
counterfeit "wheel" cancels thereon
I am sure mine are forged.

Thanks for listening and moral support Jerry.

Genuine wheel cancel in violet

Referred to as "blind" cancels on this *.pdf

shown on page 3

(I cannot find the home page)

Hi Rodney

Good work!


The only way one can learn is to have discussions like this. The thanks goes to you. Now we both know what it is and I now see the ES, thanks. I have to go for cataract surgery so things are a little blurry. I am delaying it for as long as possible. Being your eyes is the scary thing although it isn't like years ago. The doctor said 15-20 minutes tops.

By the way. The "Franquero Oficial" overprint is found on El Salvador, Nicaragua and Ecuador stamps. Most of these are Seebeck reprints. Nicholas Seebeck did a bang up job on collectors.


http://www.elsalvadorphilately.org/
You have to dig a little, starting at the handbook link, to get to the page you cited.

Jerry B