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Posted 12/05/2011   02:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add TheSeal619 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hey all!
As some of you may remember, a while ago I picked up this extremely rare stamp. Also you may remember this stamp is so rare that it is not listed in the Scott catalog and the only real reference I have found is by Clarence Brazer in his work "Essays for U.S. postage stamps".
Now here is where the rub comes in. Because of the very public sale, I have been contacted, and have been receiving some direct purchase inquiries from some very well known investors. I must say that the offers are quite staggering and are now looking at six figures.
If I do sell this stamp I would like to see it gain Scott recognition with the actual sale price as the Scott value. However it is my understanding that the Scott value is generally biased on auctions sales information.

Do they ever consider private sales as Scv?

Also how does one get Scott to list a stamp?

Please comment
Ron




Brazer 57aEb on stiff bond paper 3 known examples exist
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Posted 12/05/2011   02:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
First of all, congratulations, Ron!


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If I do sell this stamp I would like to see it gain Scott recognition with the actual sale price as the Scott value. However it is my understanding that the Scott value is generally biased on auctions sales information.

As far as I know, that is still the case. However, Scott is known for being inconsistent in the way they handle things, so...



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Do they ever consider private sales as Scv?

Not that I know of, but... if you can at least get them to assign a catalog number and get a "-" in the price listing. That would show the stamp is not only known to exist, but has been accepted by the catalog as being genuine and in collector hands. Also, the editors might be persuaded to put the private sale price as a footnote.


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Also how does one get Scott to list a stamp?

For such a significant find, I would contact the editors directly, either by email or phone. You will most likely have to provide the stamp for examination, unless you somehow have managed to get it expertized with a certificate, or a heavy hitter with influence at Scott examines the stamp and comes to bat for you.

If it was me, I would sell the stamp as soon as possible and worry about the catalog listing later. To get first acknowledgment, I would go through Linn's. Contact Linn's and send a good scan of the front/back of the stamp as well as the supporting historical/published information. Linn's will associate your name with the stamp find. In general, Scott will not acknowledge the who's and where's of the stamp find/transaction.

Hope the info/suggestion is helpful. Remember, nothing's in concrete with Scott. Bottom line, contact them directly.

And please please please keep us updated!

k
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Edited by khj - 12/05/2011 03:02 am
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Posted 12/05/2011   06:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow you got quite the predicament there Seal! Awesome.
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Posted 12/05/2011   09:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jhlovell to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I can only imagine that if you contacted them and they had a way to verify the sale amount that they might consider the listing, but I am sure they would want to talk to both parties and verify amounts. Just a thought!
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Posted 12/05/2011   12:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
i want to know ..how much it cost and how much you get for it.... you can message me privately.
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Posted 12/05/2011   1:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chipg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There are many essays not listed in Scott.

Take the money. Let the buyer worry about getting it into in the catalog. Anyone who's willing to pay big bucks for the essay knows what it is and would rely on a more specialized resource, such as the Brazer catalog of one of the many auction catalogs (e.g. Siegel's Finkelburg, Long, or Lake Shore sales)
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Posted 12/05/2011   1:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chipg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
just one (two) more questions:
Does "six figures" include the 2 to the right of the decimal point? If not, can you explain how your copy is worth 30x what the other two sold for within the past 12 months?
http://stampauctionnetwork.com/f/f1365.cfm#14

Take the money
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Posted 12/05/2011   3:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Take the money

That's what I said, too! Nobody's going to add another digit to the left of the offer price any time soon.

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Posted 12/06/2011   12:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TheSeal619 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
chipg
To add some depth to the story, about two weeks after I bought the stamp I was contacted by an investment dealer that I have had dealings with before. He said that he had some people interested in it and offered to buy it at double what I paid for it. At that point I said no to his offer and explained that I bought it for my personal collection.

From then on I have been contacted almost weekly and sometimes daily with higher and higher offers. As to why this stamp has been singled out I do not know. But, one thing that I have been told is one of the other tree was privately sold to a eastern European broker for a "huge amount". Whether this is fact or fiction I do not know.
Ron
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Posted 12/06/2011   12:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For 6 figures, I'll sell any stamp in my collection; shoot, I'll sell my whole collection -- OK, well everything except China (ROC) #1218.

Somebody wants it bad for some reason. I don't ask too many questions, only one -- after payment, do you want it delivered in a mount or just tossed into a glassine?

k
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Posted 12/06/2011   06:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add j_h_s to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Does that Spinks Shreves Gallery site reflect realistic selling prices for stamps?

Thanks,
Jim
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Posted 12/18/2011   09:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wish I was in that "predicament" right now...lol Never a bad spot to be eh? Possibly a sotheby's Auction would be in order, that is if in fact you actually wish to part with it of course. Just a thought.
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Posted 12/18/2011   09:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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other two sold for within the past 12 months?


Other two?

It's the same stamp that sold for $300
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Posted 12/27/2012   12:33 pm  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Rileysan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I was browsing through my bookmarks and re-read this post. Can someone finish the final chapter of this story?
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Posted 12/27/2012   1:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nitrolures to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure where the seal went - He was a great source of knowledge and had some excellent material . I only stay here on SCf so don;t know whos on other sites anymore.
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Posted 12/27/2012   5:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think he is on here anymore.
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