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Ebay/Bidstart Dealers To Be Wary Of.

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Posted 12/05/2011   08:26 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add revenuecollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I'm posting this here rather than in the auction discussion area, as it relates specifically to 1st-issue revenues.

There are a couple of dealers to be wary of, at least with respect to their revenue offerings, as their early material is just LOADED with trimmed fakes, and many of them particularly bad:

gentlegiant762000
knarlystuff

Some examples:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/390370817501

http://www.ebay.com/itm/390370817494

http://www.ebay.com/itm/390370816810

http://www.ebay.com/itm/280785069789
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Posted 12/05/2011   09:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jhlovell to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thanks revenuecollector. Always someone out there scamming.
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Posted 12/05/2011   10:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 1775mac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
SCADS used to be a great site to track bad dealers but has not been updated in some time now. Oh, and I will see how this goes but I have a little list I track also for bad dealings and might and on.
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Posted 12/05/2011   12:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
we'll see how far this thread gets.
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Posted 12/05/2011   1:04 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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we'll see how far this thread gets.


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Posted 12/05/2011   1:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add joe1225us to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Have you reported them to ebay?
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Posted 12/05/2011   1:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would normally say that anybody who buys this kind of stuff is too dumb to be saved from scams - however if you look at his SOLD items over the last 2 weeks - quite a few have found buyers.
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Posted 12/05/2011   1:34 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Have you reported them to ebay?


An absolute waste of time. Unless there is a LISTING VIOLATION, there is no point. The minimum-wage drones on the receiving end of complaints don't know anything at all about stamps, and thus have no way to gauge the report versus the seller's claims.

Unless there is prima facie evidence that the seller is violating ebay rules, ebay will do nothing.
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Posted 12/05/2011   1:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add joe1225us to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"Unless there is prima facie evidence that the seller is violating ebay rules, ebay will do nothing"

Even if you report via the link on Stamp Community?
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Posted 12/05/2011   2:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add philb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Cripes Boiceville is right accross the river from me..their main street was washed away by Irene..he must be on the high ground !
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Posted 12/06/2011   01:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add finches to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Revenuecollector, thank you for the info. Should be more like you who are prepared to speak up.
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Posted 12/06/2011   06:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
part perf my well, you know...Looks like a 3 year old done all those with safety scissors!
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Posted 12/07/2011   06:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add j_h_s to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting to me is the seller's rating of 100%. I've been an Ebayer for a long time -- I wonder how a seller can maintain 100% if he/she consistently sells fakes.

I know nothing about stamps...a couple of those auction items jumped right out at me as ridiculous, though.

Sheesh.
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Posted 12/07/2011   08:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add joe1225us to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"Interesting to me is the seller's rating of 100%. I've been an Ebayer for a long time -- I wonder how a seller can maintain 100% if he/she consistently sells fakes.

I know nothing about stamps...a couple of those auction items jumped right out at me as ridiculous, though."

Well you can only leave feed back if you buy something from the guy, and only those foolish enough to buy from the seller are able to leave feedback...

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Posted 12/07/2011   11:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add quigngt to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks revenuecollector. I am not doubting your expertise but I would like you to describe why the 3 part perf revenues and the imperf are trimmed fakes. Is it because they all cut into the design at some point? Is it because of the very crisp cuts by scissors? I ask because it seems to me that a genuine part perf could also cut into the design. It would help me in identifying fakes in other listings.
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Posted 12/07/2011   12:05 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Is it because they all cut into the design at some point? Is it because of the very crisp cuts by scissors? I ask because it seems to me that a genuine part perf could also cut into the design.


The lack of margins is the primary reason, but not the only one.

A genuine part perf could indeed have tight margins, but without sufficient margins so as to preclude trimming, it cannot be verified as such. Same thing as with a silk paper that has the right color, thickness, ink color, and impression, but lacks a blue thread: it may very well be legitimate, but since you cannot prove it, it cannot (or should not) be sold as such (unless it is part of a multiple with stamps that clearly pass the test).

If the original clerk cut an imperf or part perf too tight, even if it was legitimate 145 years ago, but the characteristics are such that it cannot pass muster today, it falls into the category of "trimmed perforate".

The stamp has to pass the tests in order to get to the status of part perf or imperf, i.e., "climb the ladder"; you don't start with the assumption that it is real and if you can't determine its authenticity you still call it real.

The other problems with the ones I linked above are that some have the wrong ink color and several have cancel types that are all wrong. The style of circular/oval handstamp shown was not developed until late in the usage period. Since part perfs and imperfs were almost universally early printings, you would not see those types of cancels on the genuine article.

The only way any of the items I linked to could EVER be considered authentic is if they still resided on the original document and were either tied via cancel, or verified by comparing the handwriting and/or date in a manuscript cancel with those on the document itself.

After examining several thousand legitimate and faked imperfs and part perfs, you develop a sense of what looks right and what doesn't. You can tell at a glance (for the most part) whether a stamp passes or fails the smell test.

As with any other specialization, the only way you develop expertise is by looking at many, many, many good and bad examples.
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