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New York And Chicago Precancel

 
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Posted 12/08/2011   4:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add StampStudy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I am complete out of my comfort zone when it comes to precancels. I found these two that seemed out of place.

First :




I have never seen the circle before?

Second :



What is the MW NOV 51 ?

Drew
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Posted 12/08/2011   4:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The last one is easy. Montgomery Ward (as in the store/catalog mail order operation). They were the most prolific user of precancels back in the day (along with Sears which used the initials SRC).

The first one is a bit trickier. Looks like a typical NY, NY precancel with a circular overprint of some sort. Perhaps some precancel specialists can chime in to help you identify it.
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Posted 12/09/2011   02:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StampStudy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks wt1! Interesting things these precancels (no I will refrain from collecting them). I was reading up and sites say there are many many hundreds of thousands of varieties and types. *g*

Would be interesting to see what comes up about the circle or "O" overprint.

Drew

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Posted 12/10/2011   04:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Joeytoat to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi, I am a novice and have never heard of pre-cancels? What are they?
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Posted 12/10/2011   09:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Joeytoat: A simple history about precancels is shown below. For more info., check out the other articles also at this link:

http://www.precancels.com/wordpress/?page_id=90
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Posted 12/10/2011   11:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The circle has nothing to do with the precancel. It was probably applied by a collector or prankster long after the stamp was used.
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Posted 12/10/2011   12:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fifia to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, wt1
good info... I am into Se-tenants!!

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Posted 12/13/2011   10:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StampStudy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Another question regarding the Montgomery Ward - Precancel. I was looking at the free album pages at http://www.precancels.com/PrintedDa...bumn0711.pdf and looking at where it would go - do the dates have to match exactly? Would you classify the above stamp as MW-2 or MW-3?

Trying my utmost not to start collecting these as well .

Drew
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Posted 12/13/2011   12:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think it's an MW-3. Some of the dated precancel types look very similar, sometimes different by only 0.5 mm. An accurate ruler may occasionally be needed to confirm the exact size of the dated overprints.

If you've decided that you're going to start collecting dated precancels, some informative data is contained in this previous thread:

https://goscf.com/t/12366&whichpage...d,Precancels
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Edited by wt1 - 12/13/2011 12:40 pm
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Posted 12/13/2011   2:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
StampStudy, The free album you posted only requires "Town & Type". A single type of MW could have 100's of different dates from the same town.

This is a MW-3 & on this stamp there are 99 different dates (Month/Year).
This type was used from June,'51-July,'70.
The .50 Liberty Series had 154 different dates on it using the MW-3 type.
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Posted 12/13/2011   3:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
StampStudy as Chasa stated the circle overprint was placed on the stamp after the fact over the top of the precancel.
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