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How Long Have There Been Ctos?

 
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Posted 12/12/2011   3:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add jamesw to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I posted these triangular stamps on the triangle thread, but I'm curious about Canceled To Order (CTO)
These Liberian Airmails are mint hinged and canceled. So that means they are CTO. I have no problem with that, I just thought they were neat. But they were issued in 1936. Is that early for CTO?
When did postal services start doing CTO?





I guess the chances are they weren't canceled when they were originally issued.
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Posted 12/12/2011   4:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In the case of Liberia, CTO's started way back in 1885! Here's a Linn's Stamp News Article that provides a better glimpse into the reasons for and collectibility of these items:

http://www.linns.com/howto/refreshe...rcourse.aspx
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Posted 12/12/2011   4:26 pm  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Rileysan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The pre-cursor to CTO was philatelically used postage. Although it existed prior to 1893, it was made especially popular during the Columbian Exposition.

Perhaps there are students of the Columbian Expo out there that can add more to this discussion.

A couple of questions I have include: Could letters be stamped on demand at the Expo post office, or did they have to go through the mail? Are all high value Columbians philatelically used, or was there actual postage prices that justified the high face value?

These factors, imo, make a case for the existence of CTO's at least back to 1893.

Brian
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Posted 12/12/2011   4:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys. That certainly answers the question. Excellent article wt1, thanks, I'll be bookmarking that one.
So Liberia has been using CTOs since 1885. And I thought it was a modern phenom.
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Posted 12/12/2011   4:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Are all high value Columbians philatelically used, or was there actual postage prices that justified the high face value?


I found this article on the internet awhile ago that partially answers your question:


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FIRST COMMEMORATIVE STAMPS

Postmaster General John Wanamaker stirred up quite a commotion back in 1893 when he issued the nation's first commemorative postage stamps. He was rebuked by a congressional joint resolution that protested the "unnecessary stamps". Wanamaker, an astute businessman, defended his actions by saying that the commemorative stamps could become money-makers. History proved him right. The controversial first commemorative stamps were the Columbian Exposition Issue. Printed by the American Bank Note Company, the stamps were issued to commemorate the World Columbian Exposition held in Chicago, Illinois, from May 1 to October 30, 1893. The stamps celebrated the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus's voyage to the New World. The series consisted of 15 stamps with face values ranging from one cent to five dollars. Each bore the dates 1492 and 1892. Postmaster General Wanamaker added a 16th, eight-cent stamp to the series when the fee for registering a letter was reduced from 10 cents. The stamps were immensely popular with collectors and customers, but critics denounced them. The designs were based on paintings by various artists who visualized Columbus differently. The one-cent Columbian showed Columbus clean-shaven, spying land from aboard his ship. The two-cent, taken from the Landing of Columbus painting in the Rotunda of the Capitol in Washington, D.C., showed him landing, presumably a few hours later, with a full beard. These discrepancies were quickly pointed out. Even the denominations of the stamps were condemned. Because First-Class postage was only two cents per ounce and only four pounds could be mailed, the Chicago Tribune pointed out that even with the addition of the eight-cent stamp for registration fees, the most that could be spent on anything mailed First-Class was $1.36. This made the two-, three-, four-, and five-dollar Columbian stamps useless for mailing. Further, the only way to get the full value for five five-dollar Columbian would be to mail a 62-pound, eight-ounce package of books at the book-rate class of postage. Wanamaker replied that regular stamps also were available and that nobody had to buy the Columbians. Further, some people did mail packages of books abroad using the First-Class stamps. To show his confidence in the stamps, Postmaster General Wanamaker spent $10,000 of his own money to buy 5,000 of the two-dollar stamps and put them in his safe as an investment. The stamps, still in the safe when Wanamaker died in 1926, were valued at $4.50 each. In spite of the criticism, the new Columbian stamps were a sensation. Hundreds of people stood in line at the Columbian Exposition and elsewhere to buy the stamps. Two billion commemorative Columbian stamps were sold for 40 million dollars and were credited as a factor in the Exposition's success.
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Posted 12/12/2011   4:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think the Spanish CTOs referenced from 1854 in the Linn's article are the barrado 3-bar remainder-cancels that you see so frequently on old Spain issues, particularly Isabella portraits. I wouldn't have considered a remainder cancel to be a CTO, but maybe so...anyone know of anything else that the article could be referring to?

Australia issued boatloads of CTOs over the years in collector packs. I have a few KGV issues that are CTO.
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Posted 12/12/2011   8:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


These heavily barred examples from Labuan
identify them as CTO from 1894



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Posted 12/12/2011   9:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Further reading began by our family member Lithograving...

https://goscf.com/t/11520

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Posted 12/12/2011   9:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add panda.bear to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
wt1,

Interesting factoid based on your information.

The Forty Million Dollars raised by the original sale of the Colombian Issue, adjusted for inflation, would be roughly $1 billion today.

Figured in other terms - that's about 75% the cost of a shuttle launch (~$1.4 billion - total shuttle cost per launch) or 75% of the cost of the new Yankees Stadium (~$1.5 Billion.)

If you combined the average net-worth of a US Senator you would require 75 of them to accumulate $1 billion.
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Posted 12/13/2011   6:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike33 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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If you combined the average net-worth of a US Senator you would require 75 of them to accumulate $1 billion


I would have guessed you would require 1 billion of them to accumulate $75 :)

I'll be here all week
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