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Help Identifying Cancel Marks: Oval, Rms, Revalued To, Etc.

 
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Posted 12/13/2011   1:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add SueStamps to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi Everyone,
I don't know a whole lot about cancels on envelopes. I have seen many of the oval shaped marks with a number or the letters: RMS in the middle. What is the name of this cancel, what does the number represent and what does RMS stand for? Thank you!

Oh, also does the donut shapped mark have a name? Thanks again, here are the images below.
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Posted 12/13/2011   2:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SueStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks so much, I didn't realize that the duplex cancel was one mark, thought the oval was put on the envelope after or before the round cancel with the information, town, date etc. So that's great to know. And thank you for the RMS info, you are right, I looked up Railway Mail Service images, and RMS came up. Woweee, thanks so much!
SueStamps (looking to find what the donut shaped cance is called.)
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Posted 12/13/2011   2:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The last example are oval cancels. Those on your cover are called "mute" oval cancels as the lack any town/date information within the ovals. These mute oval cancels were used on registered letters. They have also been used to cancel stamps on parcels.
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Posted 12/13/2011   5:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SueStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The last example are oval cancels. Those on your cover are called "mute" oval cancels as the lack any town/date information within the ovals. These mute oval cancels were used on registered letters. They have also been used to cancel stamps on parcels.


Very very intersting regarding the "mute" oval cancels! I am so grateful to you and everyone. It's so hard to find things online sometimes, especially if the information is an image. So I appreciate it so much! Thank you thank you!
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Posted 12/13/2011   6:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is what the stamp that affixed that RMS (Railway Mail Service) Duplex Cancel would have looked like:



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Posted 12/13/2011   6:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It appears that no one has yet covered your question about the "Revalued to 15c" cover shown in your fourth scan, so let me explain.

That cover was created by the US Postal Service as a means to avoid having to reprint embossed stationery when a postage change came about. In fact, I believe in your example, the USPS was anticipating a rate increase to 16 cents and only 15 cents was approved, which resulted in a mass quantity of the 16c embossed envelopes, which had to be revalued as in your example.

It appears to be a Scott #U586, black surcharge on a 16c "USA" embossed envelope, that was revalued to 15 cents as issued on July 28, 1978. Assuming it's an entire cover and not just a corner cut square, it has a catalog value of $1. If it were unusued the value would only be 55 cents. The reason being that these envelopes showing proper postal usage (not a first day cover) are relatively hard to find, as most people were just using stamps and few elected to pay a premium for the embossed envelopes.

[edit] Came up with this newspaper article that recites the reason why stamps and postal stationery was printed anticipating a 16-cent "business" rate but later changed [or in the case of your postal stationery item, "revalued"] as a result of an across-the-board 15-cent rate approved in 1978. I had forgotten some of the details surrounding the event, which was quite a debacle for the USPS at the time and, in fact, resulted in the appearance of the "A"-Stamp as one of the first non-denominated postage stamps at the time:

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Edited by wt1 - 12/13/2011 9:59 pm
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Posted 12/15/2011   6:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SueStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am amazed at the amount of information you know and find wt1!
I am also sooo impressed!
Thank you so much, oh and you got a good eye there too.

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