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Posted 12/13/2011   8:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add j_h_s to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hopefully it's okay to post this hyperlink.

A photobucket album of stampless covers.

Enjoy...any comments about remarkableness or value appreciated.

Regards,
Jim

http://s558.photobucket.com/albums/...ss%20Covers/

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Posted 12/15/2011   05:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add j_h_s to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow...not a single comment.

Am I doing something wrong?

Jim
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Posted 12/15/2011   05:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add filipo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Jim! I think that people here don't like links on photos, they prefer that you include some photos in your thread. Also, you must be more specific, and try to tell in the topic subject what you exactly have... to describe the content as much as you can...for example, open a topic with a subject "Blood's penny post cover from 1853, Philadelphia local" or so, and include this photo:



And you will get some very interesting replies on that subject, I am sure... :)
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Posted 12/15/2011   06:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add j_h_s to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, filipo. Not being a philatelist, I dont know what's of interest, remarkable, value when it comes to stamps or covers. I have about 25 stampless covers and felt it would crowd the forum threads to post them individually.

I'll try your suggestion with the cover you suggested.

Thanks again, Jim
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Posted 12/15/2011   06:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add filipo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I also know very small about stamps, but have a feeling that this one could be interesting... I wish you a good luck with it! :)
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Posted 12/15/2011   06:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add j_h_s to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again, filipo. I've collected coins all my life (with my father and grandfather)

They concurrently collected stamps....(hundreds of?) thousands of them from all over the world and the USA in six military footlockers.

I inherited them about ten years ago.

It's overwhelming.
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Posted 12/15/2011   09:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Not being a philatelist, I dont know what's of interest, remarkable, value when it comes to stamps or covers. I have about 25 stampless covers and felt it would crowd the forum threads to post them individually.


No need to worry about that Jim as this is a visual hobby with collecting interests across the board. Post as many images as you'd like as we'd love to see them. I can't speak for others but as mentioned above I'm one of those that does not click on external links.
Also don't feel as if the only thing you can post must be of "Value" because the majority of what we collect does not have much monetary value but the value lies in the eyes of the beholder. Most of the collectors here love seeing new and different things, so please... Post away.
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Posted 12/15/2011   10:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chipg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I flipped through most of your images and can give you some "general" hints about the relative pluses and minuses. When looking at Stampless covers, these are some good "rules of thumb:"
- Postmarks that are not the standard round, city, datestamp are better. In your case, you have a couple of "straightline" datestamps, a Richmond with an attached "5" rate marking, and some round datestamps that are not the "same" as the others, such as the one from Mississippi. This is a good start for the "better" pile.
- Earlier is better. Stamps were not required until the late 1850s. That leaves a lot of time with lower rates (e.g. 5 and 10c) Early 19th century, or even 18th century are better. I'd look within the letters for an indication of the date.
- Smaller, more unusual towns are better. Lots of mail from New York, Boston, Baltimore, Philadelphia, etc. Less mail from Texas, Florida, Mississippi, territories, etc.
- Odd rates are better. Best thing to find are the War rates and the Restored rates. By war here, we're talking the 50% surcharge to postage rates put in place in Feb. 1815. In March 1816, the rates were restored to the prior level, but in April, they were changed. That 1-month rate period is a good find. (FYI - rates can also help date the covers - see http://users.westelcom.com/gestus/PHrates.htm for a simple list of the early rates.

Now, looking back at your scans with some of this in mind, the ones I'd take a second look at would be:
#2 - Washington, DC - what is the date? 50c rate is less common
#3 is a "Free Frank" but I don't recognize the name of the person signing it
#9 - Baltimore straightline. Date? There notation at the top left "4/4" is interesting. Would need to figure out what it designates. potentially it is the number of the correspondence. Potentially, it may be some British rate marking. I don't know.
#10 - Wilmington stratightine. Date?
#11 - "Free" is interesting. Can't read the postmark
#18 - Nice red Richmond attached rate stamp (by the way, all of these were sent "postage collect." Unless they say "Paid" or "Free," the recipient would have had to pay the postage.
#20 - Hernando, Miss. Unusual datestamp. (Date of letter?)May be of interest to someone who collects Mississippi.
#24 - another Baltimore straightline.

People have already commented on the Bloods adhesive on the Nesbitt Postal Stationary piece. That's nice, but remember that it's hard to get full catalog value for anything.

Lastly, you can try to request the American Stampless Cover Catalog through your library. It might give you a better sense of some of the markings.

Good luck and have fun with your research. Sorry that this is about the limit of my knowledge in this area and I can't help you more.

Chip


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Posted 12/15/2011   10:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add filipo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
#11 - "Free" is interesting. Can't read the postmark



Milesburg, Pa

I think
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Posted 12/16/2011   07:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add j_h_s to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
chipg/filipo

#2 date 1837

#3....Michael Steele Bright born January 6, 1830, in Madison, Indiana. Died November 4, 1868, on the Ohio River. Degrees, A. B. and A. M. Occupation, studied law with his father, Senator Michael S. Bright, and practiced law till 1854. Position, was for some time Judge in County Court, Superior, Wisconsin. In 1862 moved to Chicago. In 1863 moved to New York City and established the banking house of Bright & Co. Mr. Bright met his death in a collision of steamers on the Ohio River, between Cincinnati and Madison, in his exertion to save others. An eloquent eulogy was pronounced before the Gold-board of New York, by Dr. T. A. Hoyt.

Michael Steele Bright, who lost his life by trying to save the lives of others in the memorable conflagration of the steamers United States and America, which burned on the Ohio river in December, 1868.

#9 date: 1790
Dutilh & Wachsmuth (Philadelphia, Pa.)
Dates: 1765-[1890?] (bulk 1790-1850)
Abstract: Correspondence, account statements, promissory notes, receipts, legal papers, and other business documents comprise the Dutilh, Wachsmuth, & Co. Records
I couldnt find anything about the 4/4 mark. I wondered if it was a signature.

#10 date: 1794 Dutilh and Wachsmuth

#11: yep: Milesburg, PA

#20: date 1844

Thanks,
Jim

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