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Posted 04/03/2012   1:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Here is a great little piece I picked up this morning. I got it from William Lang. I'm pretty pleased with it and it's not like I'm ever going to own the actual stamp unless I hit the lottery or something-ha-ha. Anyways here is the pic:



I gave much less than what is listed. He honored an offer I made.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/18069257344....m1439.l2649
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Posted 04/03/2012   2:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Gotta love the Muttonchops. You just don't see that look these days.
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Posted 04/04/2012   05:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rohumpy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If only the issued stamp looked that good. The color is so vivid.
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Posted 04/04/2012   06:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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If only the issued stamp looked that good. The color is so vivid.

Oh, I know it! It's beautiful isn't it? That's why I purchased it from Mr. Lang's store. I love the proofs for just that reason, simply because one can see the meticulously detailed engravings really sharply and not obliterated by both time and cancellation ink. I don't really collect for any investment purposes although admittedly I do like them to retain any intrinsic value the catalog might state but certainly not a motivator to buy. Proofs normally command less than catalog- in some cases considerably but they're second to none in beauty and to me, that's what it's all about! Thank you very much.

Edited for spelling corrections.
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Edited by I_Love_Stamps - 04/04/2012 06:33 am
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Posted 04/04/2012   11:06 am  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Rileysan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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If only the issued stamp looked that good. The color is so vivid.


Well said! This issue is always so faded!
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Posted 04/04/2012   11:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice item! Seeing that it is the only stamp of the series that has the numeric denomination printed twice at each top corner, it is interesting that the "24" and the border surrounding it is different on the left and right sides. (Probably intentional as a means to thwart counterfeiting.)
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Posted 04/05/2012   04:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I noticed that too wt1 if your referring to the tiny nuances in the little curl (the right one being smaller) and the outline being different as well as the circles in the "spheres" or "pearls" to the Right and the Left as well as the small differences in the stars all probably from being either rushed into production, anti-counterfeiting measures or just from being completely hand engraved. Lots of minute difference if you spend some quality time looking back and forth. I am in love with this issue. He's a funny looking man compared to other busts of that time. Thank you for your compliment!
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Edited by I_Love_Stamps - 04/05/2012 04:49 am
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Posted 04/05/2012   05:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've looked at this stamp (and in your case, proof) many times but never much paid attention to the career of the individual depicted on the stamp -- Brevet Lieutenant General Winfield Scott -- who had such a distinguished military career, no other man has served as a General longer in United States history:


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Winfield Scott (June 13, 1786 – May 29, 1866) was a United States Army general, and unsuccessful presidential candidate of the Whig Party in 1852.

Known as "Old Fuss and Feathers" and the "Grand Old Man of the Army," he served on active duty as a general longer than any other man in American history and many historians rate him the best American commander of his time. Over the course of his forty-seven-year career, he commanded forces in the War of 1812, the Mexican-American War, the Black Hawk War, the Second Seminole War, and, briefly, the American Civil War, conceiving the Union strategy known as the Anaconda Plan that would be used to defeat the Confederacy. He served as Commanding General of the United States Army for twenty years, longer than any other holder of the office.

A national hero after the Mexican-American War, he served as military governor of Mexico City. Such was his stature that, in 1852, the United States Whig Party passed over its own incumbent President of the United States, Millard Fillmore, to nominate Scott in the United States presidential election. Scott lost to Democrat Franklin Pierce in the general election, but remained a popular national figure, receiving a brevet promotion in 1856 to the rank of lieutenant general, becoming the first American since George Washington to hold that rank.
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Posted 04/05/2012   06:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow that's some accreditations He's got there! wt1, maybe a little off topic but do you know if they certify proofs? More accurately a caveat just to have some documentation on it would be very helpful to me.
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Posted 04/05/2012   4:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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do you know if they certify proofs?


Some (not all) expertization services will certify proofs. Based on this link from the PSE (see REGULAR SERVICE TYPE section), they will do it, but at a fairly hefty price (5% of SCV, with a $30 minimum and a maximum fee of $600.)

http://www.psestamp.com/

Unless you have intent to re-sell the item at a significant profit, there is little incentive to expertize it, as the cost in doing so will easily exceed the price paid for the item.
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Edited by wt1 - 04/05/2012 4:26 pm
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Posted 04/06/2012   05:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
WOW! All I wanted was the 5.00 caveat...lol The only reason being that it's claimed to be a 164P4 and since the stamp is so highly valued/prized I figured the image should be caveat'ed to shot it IS in fact a #164 and not your common #142. That was my reasoning. I purchased it from one of William Lang's ebay shops so it should be OK but proof is always better than word of mouth you see my point? Thank you wt1.
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Edited by I_Love_Stamps - 04/06/2012 05:06 am
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Posted 04/06/2012   8:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
'Old Fuss and Feathers' That's great! They don't make nicknames like that anymore.

Great proof ILS. The detail is wonderful. Even the stars within the stars at the top.
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Posted 04/06/2012   8:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A brief quote as to how "Old Fuss and Feathers" got his name:


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An imposing figure at 6-feet-5, [General Winfield] Scott earned the nickname "Old Fuss and Feathers" because of his attention to detail and fondness for flashy uniforms.


An example of his "flashy uniform":

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Edited by wt1 - 04/06/2012 8:45 pm
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Posted 04/10/2012   11:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just curious on why you'd want to send it in for a Certificate ?
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Posted 04/11/2012   09:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
just wanted to see if anyone certified proofs and also to be sure it is what he said it was that was really it Stallzer.
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Edited by I_Love_Stamps - 04/11/2012 09:31 am
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Posted 04/11/2012   10:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, you can get Proofs certified as some do require it such as the Atlanta trial color proofs. As far as proper identification, I see your point on ensuring it's what it was listed as.
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