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Posted 04/21/2012   06:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Horamkhet to your friends list Get a Link to this Message




Hi to all
This stamp I like, it has a nice postmark, and is nicely centred.
However, I find the grills totally confusing.
Can some-one tell what sort of Grill is on this stamp.
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Horamakhet
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Posted 04/21/2012   09:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add artlaunier to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Grills are identified first by horizontal by vertical rows of grills and second if the points are up or down. A lot of "Grilled" stamps have their grills pressed out or were very faint, look at the back of the stamp on an angle and you should see the grill. Counting them can be difficult at best. Counting them on cover is very difficult and you may have to lift the stamp to determine the grill. Also look at the date of cancellation as it may give a hint as to the type. The earliest date of a grill is August 8, 1867

So, by counting the points;
Grill A covers the entire stamp Points Up, an inverted V
Grill B is 22 by 18 app 18x15 mm Points Up, an inverted >-<
Grill C is 16-17 by 18-21 app 13x16 mm Points Up, an inverted V
Grill D is 15 by 17-18 app 12x14 mm Points Down
Grill E is 14 by 15-17 app 11x13 mm
Grill F is 11-12 by 15-17 app 9x13 mm
Grill G is 12 by 11-11.5 app 9.5x9 mm
Grill Z is 13-14 by 18 app 11x14 mm

Good Luck,
Art
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Posted 04/21/2012   11:05 am  Show Profile Check ray.mac's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ray.mac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Horamkhet--
It can't be A or B.
99.9+% possibility that it is either E or F, just from numbers of these stamps that were produced.

If you can't see all of the columns clearly, you can always take a pencil, and scribble on a piece of paper, then rub your finger on the carbon on the paper, then rub your finger on the back of the grill, transferring some of the carbon to your grill, making it easier to see.

The stamp has more of the color of a D or E grill than an F grill. If you have 15 columns wide it's a D (I doubt this highly), if it's 14, it's #88 (E grill), if it's less, it's #94 (F grill).

The F grills are found in the dull rose color (this is dull rose), but rarely. The more common F grills are the reds, rose reds, and most commonly orange red.

If I were a betting man, I'd GUESS #88 on this one, (E Grill), just from the color.

Hope this helps-- Ray
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Posted 04/21/2012   11:06 am  Show Profile Check ray.mac's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ray.mac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Horamkhet--
It can't be A or B.
99.9+% possibility that it is either E or F, just from numbers of these stamps that were produced.

If you can't see all of the columns clearly, you can always take a pencil, and scribble on a piece of paper, then rub your finger on the carbon on the paper, then rub your finger on the back of the grill, transferring some of the carbon to your grill, making it easier to see.

The stamp has more of the color of a D or E grill than an F grill. If you have 15 columns wide it's a D (I doubt this highly), if it's 14, it's #88 (E grill), if it's less, it's #94 (F grill).

The F grills are found in the dull rose color (this is dull rose), but rarely. The more common F grills are the reds, rose reds, and most commonly orange red.

If I were a betting man, I'd GUESS #88 on this one, (E Grill), just from the color.

Hope this helps-- Ray
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Posted 04/21/2012   11:06 am  Show Profile Check ray.mac's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ray.mac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Horamkhet--
It can't be A or B.
99.9+% possibility that it is either E or F, just from numbers of these stamps that were produced.

If you can't see all of the columns clearly, you can always take a pencil, and scribble on a piece of paper, then rub your finger on the carbon on the paper, then rub your finger on the back of the grill, transferring some of the carbon to your grill, making it easier to see.

The stamp has more of the color of a D or E grill than an F grill. If you have 15 columns wide it's a D (I doubt this highly), if it's 14, it's #88 (E grill), if it's less, it's #94 (F grill).

The F grills are found in the dull rose color (this is dull rose), but rarely. The more common F grills are the reds, rose reds, and most commonly orange red.

If I were a betting man, I'd GUESS #88 on this one, (E Grill), just from the color.

Hope this helps-- Ray
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Posted 04/21/2012   7:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Horamkhet to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi to all

thanks for the great information, and ray.mac I never thought of the pencil rubbing.
I might even try that as I can gently rub the graphite off.
The information gives me inspiration to try and identify the other grills on others
Regards
Horamakhet
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Posted 04/24/2012   4:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
looks like an 88 to me as well.
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