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Help Needed To ID British 4d Stamp.

 
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Posted 06/17/2012   05:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Selva to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Could someone help me id this stamp.Have tried looking for it in the net but to no avail.Thanks.

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Posted 06/17/2012   06:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
King Edward VII 1902
4d green and chocolate brown
Stanley Gibbons 236
My uneducated guess.
Is this chalk-surfaced paper also? That will lower the price.
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Posted 06/17/2012   08:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Selva to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you puzzler.Think it is chalk paper, based on the scientific fact thet chalk surfaced paper distorts colour when soaked in water.Looking at the stamp,think there is a distortion of colour especially the green.Have no other means or method to actually confirm.Least with your help I know the details of the stamp.Thanks again.
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Posted 06/17/2012   09:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The green ink was highly fugitive: it disappeared when the stamp was soaked, as happened in this case. Gibbons includes a note after SG 196 on this subject: "The above prices are for stamps in the true dull green colour. Stamps which have been soaked, causing the colour to run, are virtually worthless."
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Posted 06/17/2012   11:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
a note after SG 196 on this subject

I have a GB 2005 Concise with the same note but I had thought it applied to the 1884 QV high value stamps. I am not at all familiar with chalk surface paper.
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Posted 06/17/2012   11:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add skilo54 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Many a good 4d. KEVII have been ruined by soaking, I am not exempt from this group. Early on I got a bit too eager and figured I would soak a few KEVII stamps, a technicolour rainbow in the water......

My advice, don't soak any QV, KEVII or KGV stamp without being certain it is not printed with a fugitive ink or on chalk surface paper.

Here is a mint 4d. followed by a couple pages of 4d's that won;t be going for a dip anytime soon.







Have a good one,

Skilo54
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Edited by skilo54 - 06/17/2012 12:00 pm
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Posted 06/18/2012   12:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Selva to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice stamps skilo54,but my 4d stamp is of diffrent colour.Your green is abosulutely flat green. Mine the green is more like yellow light green.Am wondering whether the soaking could have changed the colour so much.
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Posted 06/18/2012   01:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, indeed the soaking did cause that loss of colour. That was the whole idea. The printers, De La Rue, were very proud of their doubly-fugitive green and purple inks. They were intended to fade or badly discolour if anyone tried to wash the postmarks off. De La Rue and the British Post Office weren't thinking of stamp collectors - only of protecting the revenue against the reuse of stamps.
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Posted 06/18/2012   02:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Selva to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Got it tonymacg. It is a very usefull advise.Will make sure to never soak certain stamps.Thank.
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