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Posted 01/27/2013   3:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Joe Stamps to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
A. Where can you go to get a good education, reading, online etc.

B. When the ink bleeds through the back is a Rotary? I thought I read that some where in this forum.

Thanks, trying to ID the stamps I found yesterday.
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Posted 01/27/2013   3:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Hal to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A. best education for stamps is still books & reading. Online is good but not for the specialist - yet. Still too many good sources not scanned and available on line.

B. Most ink bleed through is found on flat bed printing due to impression of plate to paper; next Rotary, then Offset. Ink beed can be cause by porous paper or just plain over inking. Another cause of bleed can be a %-high water content in the paper, especially early paper.

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Edited by Hal - 01/27/2013 3:51 pm
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Posted 01/27/2013   8:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Russ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a little about the flat plate and rotary press.
https://goscf.com/t/19642

You can search for "rotary press" or "Stickney" and find more threads.
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Posted 01/28/2013   06:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

I am by NO MEANS any sort of expert on these however I have and do spend an inordinate amount of time with these issues so, this "guide" is just a courtesy, and just an attempt to maybe help the first timers.

For some folks, the idea of trying to identify the Washington & Franklin issues is just daunting and frightening so, most people tend to either- just toss them in the "I'll get around to it" pile, or dive in and give it their very best shot but then get hurriedly frustrated and most folks just give up!



Does sound like someone you might know?..lol- Well, here is my best shot at showing you how to tell the difference between the stamps and their printing method so you can confidently peruse your goal of getting them positively identified and into your albums for you to enjoy!

Look very carefully at these stamps pictured below.



Rotary Press:
Here we go-OK, take a look at stamps #1 & #2. Can you see the frame size difference? (not the whole stamp just the vignette) the stamps design on stamp #2 is noticeably wider than the design on stamp #1.
A wider or longer vignette is usually indicative of the ROTARY PRESS.

Offset Press:
Now, look at stamp #5. (It's a 3˘ violet Washington). See how it don't look as sharp and lacks the strong impression, outline & details like the flat plate 5˘ blue stamp #6? This is a great sign that it's an OFFSET PRESS.

Flat Plate Press:
To I.D the FLAT PLATE printings, just flip it over and look for specks of ink. Sometimes they are very small and other times it can be so much that it looks like another stamp and is un-misstakeable!

OK that's it. Now you can dive into your pile of Washington's and Franklins and worry about what type your stamp is- I, II, III, IV, V...and so on.

More on how to type them will be coming up soon.

If anyone need assistance with an ID- By all means PLEASE feel free to contact me and I'll do my best to get you through them!
I love these issues and hope some of you can learn to enjoy them as well!
But in the mean time, just look below!
Here is a wonderful site that will help anyone that's willing to try these.

http://www.1847usa.com/washfrankmain.htm

1847.com is an excellent resource for identifying and learning how to tell what type your stamp(s) are.

Best of luck to you and happy stamping fellow stampers!
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Edited by I_Love_Stamps - 01/28/2013 06:25 am
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Posted 01/28/2013   06:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OK, Lets delve in a little deeper shall we?

The biggest difficulty in the identification of your Washington Franklins is usually between the Flat plate and offset printings. Below, I will post an example of each and attempt to describe to the best of my ability what you need to look for and with a little practice you will instantly recognize them.

First, The Offsets. Look below at the images. See how they just look bad in general? They are almost blurry and appear under-inked in some extreme cases! They just aren't as magnificent and as "solid" looking as the Flat plate press issues. They just have a look to them all their own. They actually remind me of the old comic book illustrations.



Now Look at this page of Flat plate printings- Take notice at how crisp and sharp the details are and how the colors just POP right off the page! Offset does not usually do this as well although some offsets can look heavily over inked, they still lack the details of the flat press printing plates.

Please observe below-



These same rules apply to the Franklins too. It's universal that way.


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Posted 01/28/2013   06:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm positive that someone more knowledgeable than I will chime in and explain it better than I. This was just a post I made a while back for another board whose members, for the most part, are relatively new to this kind of in-depth identification process and just done my best to try to make it understandable. Please feel free to leave corrections. Thank you. -Jeff
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Posted 01/28/2013   08:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Hal to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I_Love_Stamps : I too share your passion for this issue; and I do it from the postal history side. I love rates & usages on cover! The challenge of the issue is the total fun!~ what a hoot. Actually The 3rd, 4th & 5th Bureau Issues.
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