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Posted 02/03/2013   10:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add PurveyorOfPaper to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I am completely lost and confused....

Measures 10 on the left, 11 on the right (brown area), and I'm not certain the perf's on the right of the face are measured properly at 10.... and what is the brown strip? and why is it otherwise still nicely gummed?

Please give me your guidance oh knowledgeable philatelists!

Thank you!








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Posted 02/03/2013   11:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is unusual! I am not surprised you are confused.
The extra tab could be a rotary press coil splice - where the roll of paper was at the end and another roll was spliced into position. But - I don't see why the tab part is perf-11??
One easy explanation is that a joker/collector attached part of a perf-11 selvege to make a crazy variety.
I am curious if anybody here has a definitive answer.

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Posted 02/03/2013   12:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 1847bill to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That is a really interesting piece. I've wondered about the end of the rolls on rotary stamps. You would think that the rotary waste they perforated would have had perf 10 on one side. Yet I've never seen one. Maybe this one survived because it was a splice or pasted together. It also could be someone was trying to create a rarity. I would send it in.
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Posted 02/03/2013   12:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Russ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is a rotary coil splice. In producing the coil rolls it was sometimes needed to join 2 printed webs together. This was done with a gummed and perforated splice. These splices were first gummed then perforated of the perf 11 perforators. They were then cut into strips and applied the the backs of the stamp webs. The web was then processed through the coiling machine that stripped and wound the coils.

These examples are far more uncommon than the leader strips (where the coil wrapper is applied to the ends of the coils) The leaders were not perforated.

Below is a front and back image of my 722 Bureau coil splice.

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Posted 02/03/2013   12:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PurveyorOfPaper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I realize your explanation is really good, unfortunately I am so new to this I do not understand...Can you dumb it down for me? Sorry
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Posted 02/03/2013   12:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Russ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The wrapper or leader was actually done in a similar manner with a sheet being applied to the end as shown below.

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Posted 02/03/2013   12:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Russ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
SasserKlein, It doesn't show up well in the picture but the two stamps are not joined at their perforations. These stamps were the end of one printed web of paper and the begining of another printed web. The only thing holding them together is the brown paper splice applied to the back.
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Posted 02/03/2013   12:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PurveyorOfPaper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, so you're saying they spliced them together like the lady in the pic is doing, then they were cut using an 11 perf. slicer, even though the stamps themselves were' perf.'d at ten?

I hope I got that right, and thank you!

Also, does it add any value?, and oh...what SC # would it be (if you know off hand?)

PS I'm going insane with another stamp and am about to post a topic if you're interested Thanks again!
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Posted 02/03/2013   12:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Russ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Your stamp is Scott 599. As to value, I don't know if there is much of a market for splice singles. The market for complete pairs appears to be very low supply and high demand. I have 3 pairs and have been trying to get more but I have only seen 8-10 pairs come up the last 4-5 years and the prices realized were well out of what I was willing to spend.

I know of 3 pair examples (of 4th bureau) that hit ebay about a year ago and all had 15-20 bids and sold at $150-200 per pair. The value of single examples may appreciate as more people realize what they are and how uncommon they are. The 721 and 722 are more addorable with pairs and strip around $30-50.

EDIT: Numerically challenged, edit for numbering error
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Posted 02/03/2013   1:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PurveyorOfPaper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well that sounds promising Russ and thank you again! I'll let you know if I come across any more like this in pairs :
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