Jackson 2-Cent Confusion From Previous Owner

Good Morning Everyone

I'd like to take a second to show you what I'm finding when trying to sort this collection(s)...

Below is the original envelope containing some stamps....It says....



However, it contains the following three stamps....



Here are the backs....



Each one front and back........











First, is it just me or are these vermillion? Can't possibly be SC 146???

Bear in mind a couple of things....I know for certain there are at least three separate collections in the hoard....One collector was super serious and organized and had a great many of the stamps properly identified (although they are newer (1940s-1970s)....The other collector wasn't as organized and had so many of the stamps incorrectly identified....although neatly as in this example...and almost all of this cache is pre-1940.

So, now I'm having trouble understanding how to properly identify the SC 100s-200s, I've been to several sites, but I'm getting really confused on the paper type and secret mark stuff.

I have a bunch to go through Is there a preferred site that explains it really well?

Like I can see the third stamp in this set pic is obviously different, and I think if I understood better it would jump out as SC#X....as I'm sure it did to you!

Thank you so much for your help!

Another example is a tiny glassline I found with 2 stamps and a note saying could these be the 596? I have looked at them briefly, and think in no way shape or form they could be,(and 2? really...) But I'm thinking the last time this section of the hoard was touched was approximately 1964-65. So, who knows what's in here....I'm going with if there are so many stamps, and the collector was serious (albeit limited on identification materials or knowledge)...There really could be a rare stamp hiding in these masses of envelopes! Only t-i-m-e (thank you Hal) will tell!

Take Care Everyone and Have a Blessed and Wonderful Monday!

They definitely vermillion. Older collections tend to have a lot of misrepresented stamps. Years ago the Scott books were in black and white. They had the colors written down but without a reference many would get them wrong. Also Scott did a slight rearrangement with the numbers regarding the compound perfs. You will see number discrepancies there.

Welcome to the frustrating world of US 'Banknotes'. There are printings from 3 different companies that are differentiated by grills, paper, color, or secret marks. If I counted correctly, there are 4 regular, and 2 special printings of the first banknote series, and a handful of major color changes in two subsequent regular printings and one special printing (including your 2c vermilion stamps) ... bringing the total number of printings to nine. (I'm going from memory, so forgive me if I got the number wrong)

You're correct about the color of your stamps - they are Vermillion - which makes them one of two stamps ... 178, or 183. They are differentiated by paper type.

Good luck!

Brian

When I first inherited my fathers stamp collection he had 1 banknote in it. He did pretty good from the Columbians to the 1950's. So in learning I had really nothing to go on. I realize now that I made it harder than it needed to be. Although I now have a couple of the special printings they usually don't just float around. Most are pretty to extremely rare. when you read wove paper or white hard paper you are saying the same thing. There is a specialized area in the banknote papers that differentiates between the papers used by the printing companies but I wouldn't worry about that. The second type of paper is a soft porous. When you have them side by side you will notice the differences in appearance, feel, and sound. When you have just 1 type to look at your mind will play tricks. I bought several of the Scott 147 to use as examples. They are cheap and easy to come by. I bought several to make sure they all had the same qualities.

I appreciate your help so much I did more reading on 1847usa...and when I get back to that section of the hoard I think with your responses and my research I should have what I need to get them identified!

Thanks so much guys!