Mailers Postmark Permits Cancels

in my sort I came across these cancels.
too bad they are not on cover.
do these have any value to each stamp?

interesting

the last stamp is not the same as the other but interesting to me to me

This is a very new aspect of philately. I would be utterly shocked if someone has put together a catalog of these with values. You may hve to wait 50+ years to see something like that. In the mean time they make for a nice diversion from regular stamp collecting.

i will be 108 when that catalog comes out.
i kind of doubt I will be around..
but interesting

Your in luck! There is a catalog for these. They are listed in the Bureau Precancel Catalog. They are called the National Bureau Types. Bureau precancel type 6.0, Catalog value....ready for this.....15c.
Scott Catalog number, depending on perfs are 3693 or 3775

Although not that valuable, I find these cancels to be rather interesting. I'm at the point in my life where I receive a large amount of mails from colleges, so I have had a chance to collect many of these and plenty of different postage meters in cover recently!

I do like when I am proven wrong.

If you do start a collection of these, keep the entire postmark, including the circular part that contains the words "Mailed from ZIP Code xxxx". That way you can at least tell the origin of the MPP.

Good advice!

Hey mail em off to me LONEDAN I'll only be 90!

On a more serious note what are the permit numbers representing> Is there a place to see what the number means? Or is that where such a catalog comes in?

As I understand it, the number refers to the individual permitted to use the cancel. I am not aware of a way to figure out which number corresponds to which entity

Mailer's postmark permits, aka MPP, have been in use for years. Kind of a make your own precancel for postal cards and stamped envelopes originally. Most precanceled US postal cards are precanceled with an MPP. These have been documented for years, including information about who is the permit holder. A few guides/lists/catalogs are available:

Checklist of mailer's postmarks first used after Sept. 21, 1978 / / Howell, John M. / Mailer's Postmark Permit Club

Mailer's postmarks used before September 21, 1978 ; includes : U.S. precancelled cards, 1970 by Steve Pavlina and Checklist of MPPs by John M. Howell / / Mailer's Postmark Permit Club. / Pavlina, Steve / Howell, John M

Mailer's precancel postmarks. 2002 checklist / / Mailer's Postmark Permit Club (MPPC) / Shaulis, Scott A. -- Portland, TN: Mailer's Postmark Permit Club

Are a few and all of the above are available for loan from the APRL

Just got this in today's mail and it got me thinking about modern precancels. I found this thread with very similar mailers precancels so I'm reviving it. Here's mine:





After scanning it I noticed that about halfway down the printed cancel shifts to the right. The first pre-cancel postmark shown in this thread shifts to the left. Maybe the software cuts the CDS in half to allow for zip code data.

Are these envelopes pre-cancelled in bulk by a separate mailer company, or maybe some companies that send lots of mail have their own precancel machine?

I'm also curious if this is considered First-Class Mail or Standard Mail. I ask because postal regs I found require a date on First-Class mail:

"The mailer's precancel postmark must contain specific elements:

a. The mailing date (day, month, and year) if used on First-Class Mail; the month and year of mailing may be shown on Standard Mail."

Future collectors will have a fun time sorting out all the varieties, and in the future these covers might well be easier to find than non-philatelic regular First-Class mail covers.

raymodj: I would say the item is a bulk mailer permit with his ID in the cancel, otherwise it would require all the items you mentioned.

I have a MPPC permit....
I got it years and years ago....because I use all commemorative stamps
on mailings and they were arriving damaged. This way I got to cancel my own mail.
I just used to hand over to the PO clerk over the counter....and it would be
passed thru the mail system.
I stopped years ago doing this....
Im gonna search here for the hand canceller....
I will post a image if I can find it.
It was permit #001 from Harvey, LA.
I do not think they expire...I could be wrong.
Off to hunt for it...

I have a number of MPP examples received on various bulk mail.

However, I found this example rather interesting (it's not mine, but found it when looking at covers for sale online). I've never seen a relatively modern MPP imprinted like this before (i.e. no killer bars) and if you read the current postal regulations, it's not currently allowed like this either, so it must have been approved at one point on another before the current regulations were put in place:

wt1, Greetings:

Count on indifference to make a difference. While it is possible that the MPP is so old that it was grandfathered-in under more flexible rules, the greater likelihood (IMHO) is that, in Paradise UT, population 922 (2012), the permit holder simply stopped using the bars, and nobody knew enough to care.

My brother lived (and taught HS French) for one year in a small town in Maine. School began at 0830, with all students required to be at their desks. From 0845-0900, honoring the US Supreme Court rulings outlawing school prayer some five years earlier, the county 'leased' the entire school system to the local archdiocese (fifteen minutes per day for one dollar per year) and a priest, helpfully, led the students in prayer over the public address system.

Folks just kinda figgered that a little religion wouldn't hurt the kids, and Washington was a long ways away, so who was gonna tell?

My brother also lived, for a time, in Rhinebeck ('upstate' New York) back when rural wasn't yet 'ex-urban', and Country wasn't cool. If, after a snowstorm, your street had not yet been plowed, the local postmistress (also CEO-CFO-CTO-CXO of the local general store) would give you a call and *open* and *read* your mail to you. "Ouch, the power company wants $84, but your mom sent you more than that for your birthday."

A daughter once remarked that, when the kids got together on reserve duty, they would always introduce themselves, in part, by chatting about their earlier regular army service, how it agreed or disagreed with them, etc.

Did not matter what job they did, did not matter what rank they held ... without exception, the one consistent explanatory variable was distance to headquarters; the further the base was from HQ, the better the kid liked the army.

Paradise UT is a long way from HQ.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey