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Posted 03/20/2013   04:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add diocleziano to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello to all the forum I was offered this letter pony expres do not know the economic value can someone give me an indication of the economic value of the letter Regards Simone
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Posted 03/20/2013   05:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add doug2222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know about the value, but Dr. Simmons and his wife show 11,000+ hits in Google, so there's plenty of information about him, and this helps demonstrate that the cover is genuine. A green cancel may add significantly to the value.
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Posted 03/20/2013   05:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add diocleziano to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the reply, I wanted to ask who is the dr. Simmons thanks
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Posted 03/20/2013   08:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is not a Pony Express cover! They only operated from April 3, 1860 to October 1861. Your's is dated 1864! It is Wells Fargo, whom I currently work for, They acquired the Pony Express! Delivery at this point could have been by pony or stage in the part of the country!
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Posted 03/20/2013   08:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add diocleziano to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Hi I did a search on the internet and I found this auction of 1991 according to you is?

Virginia City, N.T. return address imprint at bottom left, ms. "By Pony", pencil docketing, with letter enclosure on Wells, Fargo & Co. stationery from J.H. Latham to Dr. G.L. Simmons encouraging him about the prospects of a silver mine, Simmons was evidently a nervous investor, the cover is slightly reduced at right just into express marking, still very fine, very little mail was carried free of charge by the Pony Express, this cover might be the only surviving example
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Posted 03/20/2013   6:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It seems to me it was sent by a company courier.
There is not way it's Pony Express, and it shows no sign of being
dispatched to the USPS or a private courier.
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Posted 03/20/2013   6:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Apparently the Pony Express had their own stamps and cancels
that they applied along with the USPS stamps and cancels.
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Posted 03/20/2013   7:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add diocleziano to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I did several searches, this letter was delivered by courier without paying any shipping because the cost of the letter was a load of pony.
In fact, the carrier wrote in pencil pen "by pony" you know a single letter of this kind ever sent to Mr. Simmons I do not know if it's a rarity for American mail cordially greet Simone
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Posted 03/20/2013   7:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add doug2222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Did the 1991 auction citation include an estimate, or a hammer price (if sold)?
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Posted 03/20/2013   7:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add diocleziano to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
you move the link from where I found auction cristies 1991 The Edwards Collection of Waterbury Covers

http://www.invaluable.com/auction-l...c-a9piy36ll3
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Posted 03/20/2013   8:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Russ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Simone,The Wells Fargo frank is right for a Virginia City pony. Go to the experts and they can give you the answer.
http://www.philamercury.com/board.php
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Posted 03/20/2013   9:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ratio411 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I read that auction link, and I am floored that they would ID a cover with
absolutely no franking, from 1864, as a "Pony Express" cover! It doesn't
instill much confidence in the so called experts making that claim.
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Posted 03/20/2013   10:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chipg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Folks:
There are two different Pony Express'

The Transcontinental Pony Express ran from April 1860 to October 1861 from San Francisco to St. Joseph, MO.

The Virginia City Pony Express ran from 1862 to 1865 between Nevada and California.

For a history of the Transcontinental Pony Express, and a full census of all of the know covers carried on this service, you can download, for free, the entire book by Richard Frajola, George Kramer, and Steve Walske from Richard's website at: http://www.rfrajola.com/index.htm . You can also buy a hard copy on ebay from Richard.
Also, today Siegel Auction Galleries auctioned a collection of Pony Express covers (both routes) and did a wonderful job writing up the history of the Pony Express. You can download a copy of this catalog at: http://www.siegelauctions.com/dynam...sale_no=1038 . (You have to download the .pdf version to get the whole write-up. There were a few Virginia City covers in the sale.

Chip
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Posted 03/21/2013   01:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Russ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In addition to the great resources mentioned by Chip, a couple more from Siegel

The first is a reference on the 1861 Pony Express stamps by Scott Trepel
http://siegelauctions.com/enc/pdf/Pony_Stamps.pdf

The second is the catalog from the Dec 2009 Thurston Twigg-Smith collection of Pony Express
http://www.siegelauctions.com/2009/979/979.pdf
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Posted 03/21/2013   07:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chipg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One more:
The history of the Virginia City Pony Express is covered on page 9 of Richard Frajola's catalog of the Crittenden correspondence that he sold in his Auction #2 which can be downloaded on this page:
http://www.rfrajola.com/FrajolaCats.htm

Most of the pony covers in this sale had Wells Fargo Pony Express stamps on them, unlike the illustrated cover above.

Chip
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