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Posted 01/25/2014   2:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add gracie1125 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Good Saturday,
I was wondering if this was a double image.

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Posted 01/26/2014   10:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Newby Stamper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don't see it.
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Posted 01/26/2014   11:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add eligies to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think gracie sees a slight shift left and up on the relief. There appears to be a lightening of blue background between the forehead and just below the lip area. Also relief appears to be 'double hit' giving George a 'mumps' like profile. Is that what you are seeing gracie?? I don't think it's a double but maybe a last strike as the press slows down????
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Posted 01/26/2014   11:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gracie1125 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

I dont know if you can see any better.. but I looks , to me, that there is two ears.. and outline of second face.


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Posted 01/26/2014   11:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gracie1125 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
sorry , I tried to enlarge the image. did not work.
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Posted 01/26/2014   11:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add eaglebub7 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
On your small image I can see a trace of the front portion set off to the right. On the larger image, I can see where it appears to have a double strike around the chin, nose and eyebrow/eye socket
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Posted 01/26/2014   12:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add eligies to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
gracie: if you have another piece place side by side, look through a glass and see if you can note any difference (maybe a photo in a Scott might help???)
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Posted 01/26/2014   12:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gracie1125 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
i did see in scotts u436 u93 3c purple stamp, double impression.
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Posted 01/26/2014   4:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jobi01 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
An interesting freak. Embossed envelope stamps are printed from dies, one at a time. Double impressions are known but they are complete double impressions of both the colored portion and of the white portion. During the life of the circular dies, 1915-1950, ongoing improvements in equipment and periodic loss of skilled operators due to war, results in many collectible varieties but many of those varieties do not warrant separate catalog numbers.

The most striking double impressions have stamps of two different values, each printed in the proper color.

Bill Lehr
US Postal Stationery Specialist

author of the as yet unpublished Guide to the Circular Dies
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Posted 01/26/2014   8:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
is this a cut square or a full cover? if a cut square could you scan from behind? the embossing would be clearer without the ink.
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Posted 01/27/2014   6:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ThomasGalloway to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Let me add to what jobi-wan has laid out. There are a couple other scenarios to consider.

Try this:
Two envelope blanks move into position at the same time (this is how the scenario for albinos starts).

An impression is made, with only the top blank getting inked.

The top blank then moves forward to the folding and gumming station, but the lower blank (with its albino embossed image) stays put.

The press comes around and strikes the remaining blank, this time with an inked image. The blank then moves forward to the folding and gumming apparatus.

That envelope has an indicium that has one dose of ink, but two embossed impressions, one on top of the other.

Now, that second strike may have been slightly off, position-wise, but the second strike would largely dominate. And there would only be one inked strike.

That is just one of several possible scenarios. We'd need to look at the envelope "up close and personal" to get a better idea if it is the actual one.
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Posted 01/27/2014   6:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ThomasGalloway to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is the envelope that Scott is talking about with its double impression listing. Two inked images.

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