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Posted 01/16/2009   03:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add nuggethill to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I picked up a forged Zeppelin cover from Italy a few days ago and a Zeppelin cover today from Hungary that could be forged as well,I'll post them tomorrow as I've run out of light here,the covers do look like the real thing except there's no discoloration in the stamps(there white or some are white)I'll post the photo's soon
regards Harry
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Posted 01/16/2009   11:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add laswabbie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm interested in gawking, so please do post them.

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Posted 01/16/2009   4:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nuggethill to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just to have a quick look at this it looks like the real thing but on closer inspection you can see that this is a forgery
and if this had teeth it would have bit me
regards Harry
oh and P.S. I'll post the Hungarian cover tomorrow
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Edited by nuggethill - 01/16/2009 4:36 pm
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Posted 01/17/2009   5:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nuggethill to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
O.K. I don't think this is a forgery but I'll post the photo's and see what you think this is the cover from Hungary
tell me what you think
regards Harry
Oh and P.S. Sorry I should have said this is a 1938 German cover but brought of a Hungarian seller on ebay
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Edited by nuggethill - 02/11/2009 5:43 pm
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Posted 01/19/2009   10:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nr-notrare to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Harry....


What is it on the first cover that marks it as a forgery ?
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Posted 01/19/2009   3:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nuggethill to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I believe the stamps are to fresh looking as they haven't got that ageing that most stamps have from the 30's also the printing on the stamps doesn't look right it just looks like a well done forgery (microscope's broken so I cant show you close ups)anyway this is the reason I've posted this thread and that's to see what the forum thinks
regards Harry
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Posted 01/20/2009   03:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jan-Simon to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
there are many forgeries of these stamps, as far as I know. They might even be reprints, sort of semi-officially, but I would have to check Michel to be certain.
Apart from that, it's the cancels that make me think it is a forgery.
I do not understand why there is 3 weeks between the cancel Friedrichshafen and the receiving cancel in Miami. And why there is a cancel Lorch is a complete mystery to me.
Finally, I think that the large purple cancel (Century of Progress) is missing the word "Exhibition" between Century of Progress and the line Dispatched from Friedrichshafen.

Jan-Simon
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Posted 01/21/2009   09:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nuggethill to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Jan-Simon for pointing out the obvious I never thought of cross checking the Century of Progress stamp and the cancellation in Lorch is a miss-direction I think still I'm happy with this cover as it looks good and it was cheep
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Posted 02/11/2009   1:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nuggethill to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just received another forgery in the mail brought off ebay,same stamps fresh white cover sealed with nothing in side addressed to Monsieur F Ziegenhals Monte Serrat 17 Bahia Brasilien all cancellations are one date and no other dated the 24 MAI 30 or 24.V.30 and what makes me think is a forgery is the cover has no sign of age and there's no other transfer date
will post photo's soon
regards
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Edited by nuggethill - 02/11/2009 1:52 pm
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Posted 02/11/2009   1:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Drudenfus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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And why there is a cancel Lorch is a complete mystery to me.

Maybe because the letter was (or was supposed to, if it's a forgery) sent from Lorch. Then it "went" to Friedrichshafen, where the Zeppelin started.
I don't know if there should be a Lorch cancel, if it was sent from there. But if it was, it travelled from Lorch to Friedrichshafen, all ca. 220km, in one day and was cancelled the same day at both places. Does that sound logical
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Posted 02/11/2009   3:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add modern_who to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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220km, in one day and was cancelled the same day at both places. Does that sound logical


That would depend on how fast a zeppelin could travel.
Can the information be found? Or how long for a Trans-
Atlantic crossing of how many miles in comparison.
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Posted 02/11/2009   3:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Drudenfus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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That would depend on how fast a zeppelin could travel.

I think this is meant like: the letter went by "regular" post to Friedrichshafen and from there went on by Zeppelin.
It says "Via Graf Zeppelin from Friedrichshafen", but the adress of the sender is in Lorch.
So it must have travelled that distance "by land" and still arrived in time to continue beeing delivered by airship the same day.
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Posted 02/11/2009   5:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nuggethill to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
220 ks by road wasn't something I thought of so you may have something there
O.K. next mystery or something else to think about
then again I could be wrong about this one as well
regards Harry
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Posted 02/11/2009   6:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add modern_who to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
How about 220 ks by railroad?
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Larry, APS Member

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Posted 02/12/2009   06:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nuggethill to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Modern_who I was thinking about road and not rail,the timing would have to run like a Swiss watch and thanks all for your feedback
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