Grill Or No Grill?

Hi Everybody. just looking for an opinion on whether this stamp is grilled or not thank you

Looks like a Banknote on soft paper, all grilled banknotes are on hard paper.

hi..it is. and I thought that too..but it sure makes me wonder when I hold it to the light..

decrynne,

If you're referring to the pattern in the paper that I can see in your image, it is likely caused by the wire mesh that the pulp was spread across in the paper manufacturing process. The grill would be a small rectangle typically less than 1/4 the size of the stamp.

Here is a split grill variety on US Scott #94:

Here is a normal grill placement on US Scott #116:

ok..thanks guys.. I am stuck over here in Austria, took up this Hobby recently and unfortunatly have noone to compare and take notes with.. thanks, I Need the second and third Input :)

sorry now but while someone is there..These stamps are both 158's logic would dictate..and yet- they are miles apart in colour and apearance.. I believe the one on the right is White wove paper but whats the difference between hard White and White wove? any ideas?

The stamp on the left appears to have a secret mark, and the stamp on the right appears to have no secret mark. It's hard to tell from the images, but if this is true, the left stamp would be either #158 or #184, and the stamp on the right would be #147. You can read about the secret mark at the link below.

The two paper types for the possible IDs are white wove or soft porous. I usually hold the stamp at one end with tongs, and flick the opposite edge with my fingertip. If it snaps, it is white wove, if it feels soft and makes a muted sound, it is soft porous. Of course having an example of each of the two paper types to try this with is key to comparing.

http://www.1847usa.com/1870/BankNote03c.htm

Hi Classic Coins! Can be a #147 even with the heavily shadow on upper tail left side?
It could be a 158...

mestal,

You could be right. I can't see the detail in the images well enough to be sure.

it has the secret mark for sure.. it is a 158 I am nearly sure.. but it is almost like they ran out of ink for the inside of the shield.

Variations in inking are not uncommon for this issue. The lighter one could be due to the ink being applied more thinly to the plate, or it could be due to too much oil being used in the ink formula.

This helps out on my issue... Thanks again Classic Coins!

thanks.. here is what it Looks like from underneth sort or hard?

I can only guess from the photo that this is white wove (hard) paper. If you have several from this series, try the flick test on all of them.