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Hi. I bought this stamp today.. marked as a 'fälschung'-fake. It is perf 12 (scott 47) so I understand it is 99.99% fake. But I am puzzled as to why then somebody would also fake a cancellation on a stamp that should not have one. Also wondering about the fact that it seems to be framed.. any ideas anyone? thanks  |
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The design type was that of Scott 39 and/or 47. #47 was a reprint made in 1875 for collectors and was not valid for postage (this series was demonetized in 1861 after the start of the American civil war). The original stamp was in circulation for a very short period of time and is uncommon to find used.
The application of the postmark is puzzling. Your stamp is clearly a facsimile and is unlikely to deceive anyone who can use a catalogue. The postmark was perhaps a joke?
No matter what the case, this stamp is still collectable as a facsimile. Perhaps someone here can identify the maker?
Enjoy!
Brian
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The real example of this stamp is more valuable used than unused. Many faked cancels populate the real ones as well. |
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What if it actually was used for postage? That might explain the cancel?
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What if it actually was used for postage? That might explain the cancel?
Ninety cents was a lot of money in the 1860s and 1870s and the USPS was uber-paranoid about getting ripped off - thus the reason for grills, experimental paper, and demonetization. Such a high denomination would have gotten enough attention to prevent illegal usage from both non-contemporaneous or fake postage. I posit that it would have been impossible for this to have been postally used in the USA. The cancellation is a fake. Brian |
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as far as I can find out on the Internet These perf 12 were a Special issue and were not actually intentioned for legal postage. And so I would be very surprised if any at all were ever posted anywhere. I am also confident that it is a fake- and was marked as such in the shop). but just curious as to why fake a stamp as rare as this and then fake a postmark that really shouldnt be there? maybe as a joke like Releysan said..but where did they think they could sell it?.. To someone like me I guess. |
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If it was intended to be a Scott #47 (Reprint) then they should of done their homework and saw that it was issued without gum, so how would one stick it to the cover ? |
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There are lots of fakes of this stamp with fake cancels, most of them are very poorly done. |
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"and saw that it was issued without gum, so how would one stick it to the cover ?"
There have been tons of stamps issued world-wide without gum that were intended to be used for postage. The user had to apply their own glue. |
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It was a tongue in cheek comment. Do you honestly believe that the forger looked at that stamp when He or She finished it and thought to them self "Nailed it !" |
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| Edited by stallzer - 05/19/2014 10:40 pm |
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Ninety cents was a lot of money in the 1860s and 1870s and the USPS was uber-paranoid about getting ripped off - thus the reason for grills, experimental paper, and demonetization.
I tend to go along with what you said about the cancel on the stamp under discussion, Rileysan, and I follow the logic of your remarks here. But I am curious about your sources of information for the point I have specially highlighted. What is it that gives you the impression that the P.O.D. (not USPS) was uber-paranoid about getting ripped off in the 1860s and 70s? It is something that is "common knowledge" and generally believed, but based on what, if you don't mind my asking? Just curious. |
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essayk, I jump to the same conclusion about the P.O.D. just based on the same things Rileysan mentions above.
Other Historians on this site would probably have more/better information. Would enjoy reading their input. |
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What is it that gives you the impression that the P.O.D. (not USPS) was uber-paranoid about getting ripped off in the 1860s and 70s? It is something that is "common knowledge" and generally believed, but based on what, if you don't mind my asking? Just curious. It may very well be speculation and/or tribal knowledge based on the grilling experiments of that time, but at least I have a quote from a reputable source to reference. I have no idea who Brookman cited as his source for the following statement ... From Brookman's book "The United States Postage Stamps of the 19th Century" Vol II pg 67 Quote:
In the years between 1860 and 1870, the Government became much concerned over the real or imaginary cleaning and reuse of postage stamps. Inventors turned their talents to the perfecting of devices to eliminate the possibility of cleaning stamps so that they would look unused and thus be in such condition that they could be used the second time without detection by the postal authorities.
During this period the Government failed to provide the smaller Post Offices with cancelling devices and the common practice of using a pen to cancel the stamps on the mail made it rather easy to make these stamps appear unused with the aid of a little ink eradicator. Brian |
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| Edited by Rileysan - 05/21/2014 11:01 am |
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Brookman. Excellent. Thank you. Brookman associates the "paranoia" image with the POD in conjunction with the grilling experiment. That is the sort of thing I suspected.
In order that I not be guilty of hijacking a thread, I am going to give a more extensive reply in a new thread, for those that might be interested. |
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Posted 05/19/2014 12:28 pm
