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Scott 65 With Lines In Ul Margin.

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Posted 06/20/2014   8:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add CoinWatcher to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I may just keep it. I am not sure if I really want to sell such a unique item.
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Posted 06/20/2014   10:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billw2 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sure they're rare. So?

As an example that I use a lot... I own a 1960 Lincoln Premiere coupe. Perhaps as many as 15 are still running and no more than 30-40 still exist in any condition. 1,364 were made. Mine is one of perhaps 100-150 of ANY 1960 Lincolns fitted with factory cruise control. In similar condition I also own a 1957 Chevy Bel Air 2 door Hardtop. Thousands and thousands of the something like 80K produced survive. It's not a rare car at all. The Chevy? It's worth triple what the Lincoln is worth.


Like ANY other collectible rarity is only one part of the equation. Demand has to enter the equation. My super rare Lincoln is worth about as much as a 3 year old Hyundai Sonata because nobody collects them. On the other hand look how many people want a 57 Chevy. Even though it's common, they're expensive.

There's lots of stamps that are very rare and worth very little. If no market exists for them then they won't be valuable.

If you want to get into flyspeck philately then I'd suggest getting into Australian Roos and KGV heads, those guys go nuts for very minor plate varieties. Heck, in the stamp I collect there is a Scott listed plate scratch (Scratch under A of Postage), know how much of a premium they bring? Minimal.

Go to Siegel Auctions, look up sale # 995 and look up lot #2014. And this was a sale where stuff blew way past high estimate time and time again, often bringing multiples of high estimate. I was there, so was chipg. Why did those plate scratch 12c 1861s bring just over HALF of LOW estimate? No collector interest.

I have 100% Feedback on ebay, would that change if I listed my Lincoln for $750,000?
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Posted 06/21/2014   08:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
"Since the Scott 65's have not been extensively studied..."


Ummmm your kidding right?

Here is just one (GREAT) inclusive site of thousands of them...

http://www.3cent1861.com/
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Posted 06/21/2014   3:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billw2 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They have and they haven't.

The 61s have been, rather recently, extensively studied for shade but not for plate varieties.

The Toppan Carpenter and Co printings (10,11,25,26) have been extensively studied and played for quite a long time. In comparison I'm not sure it would be possible at all to plate the 3 cent 1861s, unlike the earlier stamps there's really no recutting, re-entries, etc to speak of and not every position shows guide dots. Of course with a huge number of plates used there's bound to be numerous plate scratches, etc but they aren't collected like they are on the earlier 3 cent stamps.
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Posted 06/21/2014   4:27 pm  Show Profile Check ray.mac's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ray.mac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have several double transfers on the 3c 1861 that I bought from Mike McClung. He also wrote a nice article in The Chronicle several years back on double transfers.

Rare or scarce, maybe. Valuable, no.....just good enough to put into my exhibit someday (never have exhibited yet, but plan to at some time).

If I can find them easily, I'll post later.

Ray
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Posted 06/21/2014   5:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billw2 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ray,

I would love to see those.
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Posted 06/21/2014   6:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add CoinWatcher to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So would I Ray.
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Posted 06/21/2014   7:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Coin watcher, I see you have a couple of other dreamer sales as well.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/United-Stat...em3f380304da

Cmon, buy it now for $100 for an off centered standard 65 ?

Buy it now for $50 for another atrociously centered 65

http://www.ebay.com/itm/United-Stat...em3f385ff8a1

All I can say is wow....
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Posted 06/21/2014   7:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
stallzer....
the 1st stamp was also discussed here.
going from memory....Seller thought it was a "pink"
because the stain by Georges head.
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Posted 06/21/2014   7:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I can just imagine the gigantic thin beneath that huge patch
in the back...
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Posted 06/21/2014   9:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add CoinWatcher to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That stamp just looks very pinkish when held beside the other 65's I have,it could very possibly be a 64.
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Posted 06/21/2014   9:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Again...it is not.
The ENTIRE stamp has to be that color....
This is just a stain? chemical reaction?? not a #64.

It is BEST to assume to least expensive catalog # if unsure....
You seem to be shooting for the starts with all of them.

Numerous knowledgeable people have already stated this...
PLEASE DO SEND FOR A CERT....when you are getting GREAT FREE
advice here...you will be a believer after paying for a few
faulty certificates.
Sorry....but it had to be said.
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Posted 06/21/2014   10:08 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
CoinWatcher, no offense is intended, but I'm going to be blunt: it's readily apparent that U.S. stamps are NOT your area of expertise. You need to learn not only more about the stamps themselves, but what the actual market prices are based on condition. Your prices are off in la-la-land.

Some others:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Beautiful-S...em3f38601f52

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Beautiful-S...em3f38601012

$14.99 for stamps that catalog 45 cents?! Come on now. Are you just trolling for suckers? It would be one thing if they had superb cancels, centering, or margins, but the stamps in question are ones I routinely throw into packets and mixtures.

It's like you don't even have any stamp catalogs and are just making up prices as you go along. It's listings like these that give ebay sellers a bad name and validate the anti-eBay sentiments of those wary of the venue as a place for scammers.
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Posted 06/21/2014   10:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
*dart to the heart*... I love it...
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Posted 06/21/2014   11:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Coinwatcher, just to get everyone's dander up you now relist your plate scratch 65 for $250.00? I hope the good people here stop replying to your inquiries as the last thing we need or want here are people like you.
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