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Acquired this block a few years ago... pure novelty/curiosity item... didn't cost much, just couldn't resist... 409 Block of 8 MNH : Faked Perf 14 
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| Edited by disi123 - 07/27/2014 4:55 pm |
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Oh, it's a great conversation piece and nice to look at, but strange it is... (to me, anyway)...
I guess what's scary (in a sense) is that anyone with the ability to create this "freak" might also have the capacity to create undetectable 459's... |
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| Edited by disi123 - 07/26/2014 8:38 pm |
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Juan Jose Segura, famous Mexican artist and early movie producer, (directed- Ricardo Montalban early in his movie career) and wife Jessie Segura also an artist, around 1920s, Los Angeles, Ca. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0782193/Xmas madeup stamp and card 1956   Juan Jose was my Uncle, Aunt Jessie was the sister of my grandmother Leora James, Leora my fathers mother. |
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Larry... that's so awesome... I love the stamp... thank you for sharing, brother... what a talent... they were a great looking couple... you must be very proud to have come from that blood line... |
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Randall, something of interest. In the sale of the Patrick Murphy collection of the one-cent W/Fs in 2004, there was a single, #481 coil Perf'ed 14 vertical, pre-cancelled New York, N.Y. Described as the "Boy Scout" (private perf'ed) coil used by the Executive Council of the Boy Scouts in 1922. Supposed to have be cert'ed. by the PF in 2001 as such (private perf'ed stamp I assume). Description states 20-25 known copies. Don't know if research could tie what you have to the Boy Scouts, even without perfs on both sides, in any way. Don't know if there were any two-cent W/Fs attributed to them either. Very Long shot at best, but thought you'd like to know about it. I looked at the PF data base and didn't see a cert. as such?
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Really... well, thanks for the heads up on that... I've always assumed the block was a 409 home-made experiment by some kook... so, I'd guess I had better watermark test the block for 482 and, if none, maybe they're 482's, and perhaps there might be some connection to the Boy Scouts, based upon what you have discovered...
Long shot, indeed, but certainly worth some research...
I'm sending an 85B to Bill Weiss this week for a cert... perhaps I should send him the block as well to check out...
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| Edited by disi123 - 07/27/2014 7:18 pm |
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You'd probably need to do some research first and have a pretty good defense for why it would be connected.  |
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Perhaps "Mr. Bill" already knows...
*kookery or krookery* or something real... |
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If you search the PF website with boy scout in the key word search some one cent examples will come up. |
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Darn Rev, I did that and I didn't get any to come up. Apparently I didn't do it right!  OK, did it again leaving out the #481 and it worked.  |
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| Edited by Al E. Gator - 07/27/2014 9:36 pm |
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Siegel link below, with 481... I recall reading some years ago about the Boston or New York forgeries... and mention of the perf 14's. I didn't see any mention of the stamps I have in that article, so, I'm wondering-perhaps this could be the work of a copycat of sorts, which never made any attempts to "put the stamps on the street" (so to speak)... http://www.siegelauctions.com/lot_g...rade=&symbol[]=All&realized1=&realized2=&keyword=perf+14&recsperpage=10&sea_name=perf+14&pscolumn=default&sortord=DESC&calledfrom=lkp&sea_emailflag=on&pscolumn=default&sortord=DESC&calledfrom=lkp |
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| Edited by disi123 - 07/27/2014 11:37 pm |
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Well... I've researched this as best as possible...
It doesn't appear that any 409 or 482 has ever been produced in Perf-14, either for the Boy Scouts or any other entity... the block I have is apparently only the resultant work of either some 'KOOK' or 'KROOK' (as the case may be)...
In any event, I like it alot, and it was worth the $25 I paid for it, even if only for the conversational value which it creates... |
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Spoke a bit with Bill Weiss on the block...
It's not real... but it's still great to look at !
P.S. it's watermarked... so not a 482... |
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| Edited by disi123 - 07/31/2014 2:55 pm |
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