Help With Scott #450??

Hello all, This is a perf 10 rotary coil,I think. Single line watermark. Does it look like a scott#450? Thanks, Gary

Hi, Gary... from the size of your image, it's a little
difficult to see Type III (if it is III)... the truth
lies in the number of lines in the ribbons, right and left...

From the back, it's difficult to tell whether the carmine
is either setoff or a bleed-through of the frame from the
obverse...

If it's setoff, then your stamp would be a 442 Flat
Plate Type I...

Randall

It is a rotary coil, which is apparent because of the fuzzy appearance due to poorly wiped plate. Also the color shade is wrong for a flat plate 2c. It appears to be a 450 as stated by Gary, and if it has a watermark, it must be either 449 or 450.

It has a single line water mark. When I measured it against my flat plate cutout ,it is larger. Whats throwing me off is the ink on the back. I do appreciate the help gentlemen. Respectfully, Gary

It has the characteristics of the 449, but I leaned towards the 450, but the ribbons, lip, toga rope and especially the lines on the sideburn are all there for the type 1 #449. I guess maybe I should send it your way Mr. Weiss.

I agree based on this scan that the characteristics look like type I.

I would also like to see a better scan. Maybe it's just the fuzziness Bill noted or my tired eyes, but I see very faint outlines where the additional type III ribbon lines would be.

Kim

I blew the picture up in photoshop and I can clearly see two ribbon lines indicating Type III (#450 if it has a watermark).

Where are the 2 lines in the ribbons? Is that what they reference as an I and V? I must be getting old I can't see them. Gary

Gary, I barely see the lines on your first image and don't really see them on the second. It's likely more a problem with the scans than your eyes.

I think you know where to look, they're just not very evident. The 3 lines on the left (including shading) are sometimes referred to as IV. I marked it up on your scan. I also included the line on the right ribbon that's not showing up very well.





Kim

Kim... that was very interesting what you did with the lines...
what software did you use to do that...

Randall

Your right. I'm not getting old.lol Should have looked at the dang stamp instead of the scan. I much appreciate the help out here. Thank you. Like Randall said, that's a neat software. Respectfully, Gary

I wish I could say it's some cool new app on my tablet. Instead I switch to my computer and use image editing software. In this case I zoomed way in and used the pencil tool.

Kim