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Difference Between 727 And 752 3c Violet

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Posted 02/11/2009   6:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Dianne Earl to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Can Anyone with a US Catalogue tell me the difference between Scott Numbers 727 and 752 3 cent violet Washington's Headquarters. My Album doesn't explain that one.

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Posted 02/11/2009   6:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think the only difference for a single stamp would be that 727 is perf 11 flat plate printing and 752 is perf 10 1/2 x 11 rotary press printing. 752 was released to collectors in sheets of 400 (4 uncut panes of 100) after they complained about government officials getting unsevered sheets. The distribution of unseverved sheets allowed for the creation of highly collectible gutter pairs and blocks of 752, by separating the stamps to include the space between the panes. For example the center block from the sheet with crossed gutters and dashes catalogs for $50., whereas a single mint stamp catalogs for a mere 0.25.
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Posted 02/11/2009   6:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sharksfan11 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My catalog does not explain the difference either....sorry
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Posted 02/11/2009   6:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Also 727 was regularly issued with gum and 752 was a special printing issued without gum. Here is a crossed gutter block of 752.



In normal production, the panes would be separated by a vertical cut and a horizontal cut through the cross in the center of the sheet.
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Posted 02/11/2009   8:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dianne Earl to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Tom

Mine is definately a 752

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Posted 02/11/2009   9:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great! #752 is considered another one of Postmaster James Farley's Follies.
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Posted 02/12/2009   07:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dianne Earl to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again Tom

I've got a few like this that I have to check. I really should invest in a catalogues for US Stamps. So far my mystic album had accurate descriptions of the stamps and it was easy to find their rightfull place. But I'm finding the older ones a bit of a chalange. I had this one placed in the spot for the 727 because I thoght at first that all the stamps belonging to the 'Farley's Follies' were imporforate.

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Posted 02/12/2009   11:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cgrotha to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have a used 2004 US Specialized that's yours if your're interested.
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Posted 02/12/2009   12:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dianne Earl to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sure

email me and let me know how much?

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Posted 11/23/2012   1:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Let me revive this one. I was trying to figure this out myself this morning, when I found this thread.
But my Scott Specialized says that both issues are per 10.5 X 11, not the perforations mentioned by our learned friend t360 up above.
So if the only differences are gum/no gum and gutter/no gutter, then there's really no way to tell which issue a single used copy would be.
Any other opinions?
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Posted 11/23/2012   2:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You are correct, both are perf. 10.5 x 11.

As for telling #727 and #752 apart, use this quote from Shaulis Stamps about these special printing issues:


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A mint copy of #727 always has gum. A mint copy of #752 has no gum as issued. If you have a copy with gum, it's definitely #727. If it has no gum, it can be either #752 or a #727 that someone soaked the gum off of it. For used stamps, there is no difference.


For more information, checkout this link:

http://www.shaulisstamps.com/tips/FarleyIssues.htm

Also confirmed by the website 1847usa:


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...it would be impossible to distinguish the Farley Special Printing (#752) from the regularly issued commemorative (#727) simply by comparing a single stamp. The key to identifying this Farley Special Printing is the gutter between adjacent stamps...Any difference in shade is incidental.


http://www.1847usa.com/Farleys/3cNewburgh.htm
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Posted 11/23/2012   2:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mike33 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I was looking at the souvenir sheets last night for this and the green 1 cent issue. I have the early 2 sheets but missing the later 2 sheets. I couldn't believe how many were listed wrong. At least those have a plate # you can go by on the bottom of it. I even looked at past auctions and I'd say 90% of them were sold as the wrong #.
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Posted 11/23/2012   2:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tomiseksj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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So if the only differences are gum/no gum and gutter/no gutter, then there's really no way to tell which issue a single used copy would be.


James,

One way to differentiate between a used 727 and the 752 would be if you were fortunate enough to have a date stamp on the cancellation that was prior to March 15, 1935 (the date the 752 was issued). Absent that, I'm afraid you're out of luck.

Steve
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Posted 11/23/2012   4:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bars!

That's what's on all of them, not where I've been all day thinking about this.
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Posted 11/23/2012   4:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tomiseksj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You know a little of the latter may help solve your dilemma!
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Posted 11/24/2012   06:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rohumpy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As to the plate numbers appearing on the souvenir sheets. Can anyone confirm that different plate numbers were used in the Farley printings. I have always thought that the reprints were made using the same plates as previously used.

I still maintain that distinguishing the souvenir sheets is not possible unless you have the uncut sheets showing the gutters between the individual sheets.
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