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Posted 10/11/2014   07:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Poleas to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi this is my first post here. I hope the first of many more. Recently I bought on ebay a lot of US stamps. They came in album pages. I've been trying to confirm the identification of each stamp I bought and those I already had.

The one shown in the pic is identified as 272 both in the album page and the back of the stamp. I managed what it seemed to be the watermark applying lght to the stamp. Two parallel lines (diagonally regarding the orientation of the stamp). I have issues with the colour though. It looks to me more grey or black than brown. What's your opinion about it? Sorry about my english it's a bit rusty :)

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Posted 10/11/2014   08:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add funcitypapa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It would seem that the question being asked is whether this is 272a on revenue paper
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Posted 10/11/2014   08:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Supposed to be a shade of purple correct? It could be a trial color perforated proof but, It's more likely just a color "changeling" from either the air or a chemical.

I believe it is a Scott #272 watermark 191 (Double line)

Here is an old image of one set of mine.
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Posted 10/11/2014   09:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Poleas to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the quick answers. I have a question about watermarks. Supposing they all are visible applying light and not watermark fluid (I don't have :)). Are they clearly visible or can appear faded as a stain?
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Edited by Poleas - 10/11/2014 09:58 am
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Posted 10/11/2014   10:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Hieronymus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Some watermarks will show up if the stamp is laid, dry, on a black surface--some Great Britain and British Empire, for instance. But many, if not most, can only be seen when the stamp is wet (while soaking in water to remove hinges or paper adhesion or, better, when wetted with lighter fluid or commercial watermark fluid). A number of threads on SCF deal with watermark fluids and techniques of detecting watermarks, hazards etc.

And there's this from Linn's Stamp News

http://linnsonline.com/howto/refres...rcourse.aspx

https://goscf.com/t/9140&SearchTerm...ermark+fluid


Dipping in fluid (lighter fluid or commercial wmk fluid) also helps reveal hidden flaws. It does not affect the gum, whereas, of course, soaking in water does remove the gum and thus can't be used on mint stamps.

I think it's safe to say that most people on SCF prefer to use lighter fluid because it's much cheaper than commercial watermark fluid. Other factors apply--look at some of the SCF threads on the topic for the details. Obviously watermarking has to be done in a well-ventilated place.

Some USA watermarks are simply very hard to detect even using fluid.

In addition, an individual stamp may come from a specific place on a watermarked sheet of stamps that has no watermark. Hinges and hinge adhesive or paper adhesions all can block the visibility of watermarks even in watermark fluid. Sometimes heavy cancellations obscure the watermark.

In other words, while under the best of circumstances some watermarks are visible when the stamp is dry and placed upside down on a black surface, any of the above-mentioned obstructions render the watermark invisible when the stamp is dry and may make it difficult or impossible to detect even in fluid.
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Edited by Hieronymus - 10/11/2014 10:23 am
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Posted 10/11/2014   8:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Poleas to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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It would seem that the question being asked is whether this is 272a on revenue paper

What do you mean with revenue paper? I've heard about revenue stamps but not revenue paper. Could you give me more info?
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Edited by Poleas - 10/11/2014 8:43 pm
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Posted 10/11/2014   9:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This stamp was watermarked with a double line USPS watermark. During the printing of the issue, some of the 6 cent and some of the 8 cent stamps were printed on paper watermarked USIR in error. Only stamps showing an I or an R watermark are considered to be on that paper, and they are quite valuable.
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