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Possibly A #250 Washington Double Transfer?

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Posted 10/16/2014   3:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Poleas to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

Here is the stamp as big as the optimizer lets me upload and a detail.




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Posted 10/16/2014   3:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's a big double transfer. It even added a whole new row to the bottom.

You can make the image bigger by rotating it until straight. We've already seen the perfs, so you could crop it to just the colored design.
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Posted 10/16/2014   3:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Poleas to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There you are :)

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Posted 10/16/2014   3:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
From the Swedish Tiger:
http://www.theswedishtiger.com/250-scotts.html
"Below is a typical example of the 1894 Bureau Issue, you will notice the blind perfs and rough appearance of the perforations. The machines for perforating the stamp had just been relocated from New York to Washington DC and did not have the old operators from the ABC, consequently the new operators took some time to get used to perforating the large sheets of 400 stamps. By the next issue, in 1895, they had got the practice down to a science, hence that issue has nice clean cut perforations. The untidy perforations of this issue does not detract from its value."



Do real world prices reflect this?
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Posted 10/16/2014   4:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Poleas to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Do real world prices reflect this?


I'm not sure what you mean.
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Posted 10/16/2014   4:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes it is; that's a nice one. There are several different DT's on this stamp. As a collector of double transfers I certainly wish I had found it. :-)
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Posted 10/16/2014   4:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
revcollector, I haven't been able to find information about double transfers on any of this series. Would Scott Specialized have this? Any internet resources?
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Posted 10/16/2014   5:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
double transfer reference: http://usstamps.org/books.html
Encyclopedia of Plate Varieties on U.S. Bureau Printed Stamps
by Loran C. French.
This profusely illustrated listing of constant plate varieties, such as double transfers, is the definitive reference for "fly-speck" philately; 357 pages (1979), Hardbound.
$25.00 (Sold out)
$35.00
all you would ever want - and more
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Posted 10/16/2014   5:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That book is on ebay and Amazon for $50, ouch. Why does all the fun stuff have to cost so much? It almost seems like they want to get paid for their hard work. :p
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Posted 10/16/2014   9:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To anyone looking for resources on plate variations, there are 4 FREE volumes covering 1901 - 1937 that include some plate variations, here:

http://www.siegelauctions.com/enc/pdf/

Links to the 4 files:
http://www.siegelauctions.com/enc/p...hl_Vol_1.pdf
http://www.siegelauctions.com/enc/p...hl_Vol_2.pdf
http://www.siegelauctions.com/enc/p...hl_Vol_3.pdf
http://www.siegelauctions.com/enc/p...hl_Vol_4.pdf

There are also many other FREE informative pdfs there.
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Posted 10/16/2014   9:37 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Scott specialized lists a DT for #250b at $5.50 used. I don't know how accurate that value is. Many of the revenue DTs are undervalued in Scott, with even more not listed.
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Posted 10/16/2014   10:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As always, it depends on the individual catalog number involved. It also depends a lot on the size of the DT; most postage stamp DT's are relatively small. This DT seems fairly major for this stamp, and I would expect it to be worth at least 4-5 times catalog if it was a sound stamp. Even in this condition it is probably worth 2-3 times, assuming a dealer actually noticed it. Most would not, which is why searching for DT's is so much fun. Of course you can see hundreds or even thousands of stamps without seeing any, and frequently do.
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Posted 10/16/2014   10:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
revenuecollector and revcollector, thanks for adding that info.

I've identified many areas that have "doubling" but can't quite make out the several that are mentioned.

Someday I'll have the plate reference guide. Until then, are the several DTs all mentioned in it? Any clues to help me identify where each DT occurs?

P.S. 250b is mentioned. Does this seem to possibly be scarlet in color?
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Posted 10/16/2014   11:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cfrphoto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A couple of major double transfers on the 2 cent Black Jack, Scott 73 are listed in the catalog and are very expensive, as is the one cent foreign entry on the two cent 332. A foreign entry occurs when the wrong design is entered on the plate and then buffed out leaving enough traces to be seen after the correct design is entered. If a stamp is entered on the plate and the transfer is not satisfactory, the entry is buffed out and the design is entered again. A shift occurs if the design is not rocked in cleanly and are usually limited to small parts of the frame lines at the top or bottom of a vertical stamp or the right or left side of a horizontal stamp. Any traces of the first entry create the double transfer. Double transfers and shifts are quite common on the 2 cent Columbian, Scott 231 and are often found on the right side affecting the right frame line.

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Well, whatever might be it's monetary worth one thing is for certain- That is most certainly a nice DT and I would love it nomatter any Dollar figure! Great catch!
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Posted 10/17/2014   11:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I_Love_Stamps, I agree. I don't own the stamp, but I did have fun helping Poleas find it.

At time goes on, my collecting tastes are getting more refined. The kiloware subforum keeps looking better and better.
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