Scott 65 Cancel ID Help

Hello Everyone, Do you think this cancel is from Peterborough NH? It almost looks like a NV or short NY? Also I think the date is Dec 18 (inverted) or Dec 1881 (real late for a Scott 65)? Any help would be appreciated.

Could be Peterborough (Nene Valley) Station hence the NV.? but not 100% positive though?

Maybe this might lead you to your answer or at least rule out my guess anyway?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nene_V...lway#Origins

By process of elimination:

1. The Peterborough (Nene Valley) location is in England, which would preclude that postmark being on a US Stamp except in extraordinary circumstances.

2. I also checked Peterboro, NY (no "ugh" suffix) and that post office didn't exist until 1894. Not impossible, but rather unlikely that a stamp issued in the 1860s would have been used 30 years later.

3. Peterborough, NH seems the most likely with a damaged CDS that skews the appearance of the letters in the State abbreviation "N.H.".

wt1: any chance that in 1894 the letters ugh were dropped from an original Peterborough?

I found a postal guide for 1879 that listed a PO for Peterborough NY in Madison county.

I checked Jim Forte's Postal History website and it doesn't list Peterboro, Madison County, NY any earlier than 1894.

For the record, it would seem Peterboro and Peterborough were one in same, both in Madison County, New York. If there was a Peterborough, NY post office in operation during the 1860s, then it would make sense that the CDS shown above is most likely from that location.

A further update: Although the CDS shown above doesn't reference it, the Peterboro (Peterborough or Petersborough) NY post office dates back quite early under the name "Petersborough" (note the "s" between "Peter" and "Borough".) Under the name "Petersborough", Jim Forte's Postal History website shows that post office in operation from 1807-1894 (at which time, presumably, the name changed to "Peterboro".)

It is quite possible the name "Petersborough" was interchangeably used with "Peterborough" during that time, or maybe it is something as simple as a typo in Jim Forte's Postal History website that added the "s". Either theory could explain the discrepancy.

In fact, here's another reference that suggests "Peterborough" was also known as "Petersborough", New York:

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~n...smpostal.htm

Quite amazing what one little letter can do to one's research.

Essay... I thought about that possibility as well,
and explored most of the links for Peterboro, NY...
going back to 1795... and it (appears) the 'ugh'
was not the name of the town... the link below
being one of many I read through...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterboro,_New_York

Logic would suggest the postmark being British,
(albeit over a U.S. stamp) with the N.V. possibly
being Nene Valley... the "Y or V" most certainly
is no distortion of the CDS of an "H", given the
"H" in PETERBOROUGH is as well defined as it is...

Lastly, the usage of an 1865 stamp in 1881 could
very well be attributed to the sender not being
aware of any required usage of British requirements,
and, might have been the only stamps the sender had,
either visiting the UK or after (possibly) even
residing there for up to 16 years...

Finally, given we have a stamp "on piece" who's to
say the cover didn't have British postage on it as
well...

Although this is NOT the same type of CDS as the original scan, it at least confirms that "Peterborough, NY" did utilize postmarks by that name (with the "ugh") in the 19th century:

With all due respect, I'd highly doubt
the above cover and its CDS is NY, or
anywhere in America, for that matter...
most especially given the subject matter
and the graphic... it appears yet another
usage of a U.S. stamp on a British cover...

The cover appears to be depiction of one
used during the Temperance Movement during
the late 19th century in England...

https://www.google.com/search?q=lat...a&channel=sb

What's the usefulness or motivation of using a U.S. stamp on a British cover?

Motivation : Likely political, as per the graphic...

Usefulness : Dispatch said cover from Point A to Point B...

Thank you everyone for the input. After reading all the replies, I am thinking it must be NY, I had done a quick search and came up with the New Hampshire town, but letters seamed to be a stretch... I don't see the sense in using it in the UK unless it was added to a cover with correct British postage also affixed but without the entire cover we may never know.

disi, are you saying that U.S. Postage stamps were valid payment for postage in Britain around that time period?

Randall.....that is a US cover.
C'mon man???

Sav... whatever it may turn out to be, please enjoy it...

With regards to the usage... the CDS on your piece
and the CDS on the other cover exhibited by wt1 are
identical, except for the font usage... all other
elements are used the same, and line up exactly...
and appear to be contemporaries of each other with
the same origin...

Lastly... 'The Anti-Dram Shop Party' was a segment
of the 'British Temperance Movement' of the late 1800's,
which, (among other things), was an attempt at their
own form of 'prohibition' and other subjects of ethics
during that time period...

DNA... Kevin... without historical evidentiary
data, (we) do not truly know what postage was
or was not permitted for use in the UK during
that time period...

The cover positively is British and not American...
and, like I stated... except for the font, the
CDS's are identical...

disi, I'm just trying to understand more about why you call it a British cover. I'm not questioning IF it is a British cover, I just didn't understand your "... it appears yet another usage of a U.S. stamp on a British cover..." I am very undereducated in this area. I was just asking for clarification so I could understand your perspective.

"... without historical evidentiary data, (we) do not truly know what postage was or was not permitted for use in the UK during that time period..." And now I have another topic to research.

I thank you for your replies.