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Pillar Of The Community
Australia
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Posted 10/25/2014   11:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 22crows to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You might care to read this pamphlet about the Anti-Dram Shop Party, and where the nominating conventions were to be held:

http://library.syr.edu/digital/coll...mith/562.htm
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Valued Member
United States
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Posted 10/25/2014   11:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SavStamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So if it is a British usage, then the 81 (1881) was the year?
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Pillar Of The Community
United States
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Posted 10/25/2014   11:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
DNA... I am confessedly uneducated as well,
with regards to permitted postage usage in
the UK during that time period... perhaps
more of our knowledgeable expert participants
will chime in with more factual data...

What "appears" to the naked eye and from the
research of the locale in question - during
the said time period, the strongest evidence
is non-U.S. usage (despite the usage of U.S.
postage).

Given the introduction of the cover by wt1
'into evidence' (so to speak), it strongly
ties the original CDS on piece to the CDS
on the cover, which, by all indications is
(not) a U.S. cover...
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Pillar Of The Community
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Posted 10/25/2014   11:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This cover is a political party advertising cover....US.
It has no British usage.
US stamps are not valid in the UK....ever.
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Pillar Of The Community
United States
1756 Posts
Posted 10/25/2014   11:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
P.S. ... 'groggeries' plural for 'groggery'
is a British term for a pub, saloon, bar,
etc... the term 'groggery' refers directly
to the word 'groggy'... with groggery
translating to a place where one goes to
get 'groggy' or inibriated...
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Pillar Of The Community
United States
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Posted 10/25/2014   11:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, there's a bit of a correction to the identity of the source I cited. It is from a volume in the Library of the U.S. Treasury.

The report was that of an auditor for the government reporting on the compensation of personnel working for the Post Office Department "from July 1, 1854 to June 30, 1855." The title page is missing, but there is a cataloging notation at the back, JK 5 .c58 1855/ United States. Civil Service Commission/ Official register of the United States. On the first page it identifies the PMG as James Campbell. The entry for Peterborough (no s) is on page 69, and it identifies the Postmaster for that PO as A.C. Stone, with annual compensation of $72.69.

My association of this with 1879 was due to a history of Alleghany compiled in 1879 that mentions a person from Peterboro, though I could not find the specific citation. However, I did find a note to the effect that the area was noted for temperance movements rising up periodically from 1840, 1853, 1868, and with the note, "In April, 1875 the temperance spirit was again aroused, and another lodge of Good Templars organized...." This might shed some light on the relevance and setting of the cover illustrated with the three cent BankNote in this thread. The theme was not uniquely British.
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United States
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Posted 10/25/2014   11:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
22crows, interesting read.

It suggests that alcoholics are murderers. Nearly 10% of U.S. citizens are alcoholics.

They certainly "beat around the bush" with their confusing arguments.

Whiskey = EVIL.

Any alcohol content is EVIL, but we don't support the abolition of alcoholic drinks.

Enjoying any alcohol = being cursed.

Sellers of alcohol: "rules our politics and our government; our voters, and therefore our rulers."

Selling of alcohol will "will be likely to go on debasing us, until our religion shall be reduced to a mockery and a farce, and our political institutions, which can be sustained only by virtue and intelligence, shall have given place to a bloody despotism or a bloodier anarchy."

Sellers of alcohol somehow have a high level of control over all of politics and its control of the people.

The Democratic party (of that time period) encourages alcoholism.

Democratic party (of that time period) = "bad, very bad"

We that think that alcohol is bad but are not prohibitionists. We are also very good, so we are correct.

It's better for your son to be murdered than to purchase alcohol from a dramseller.

We are not prohibitionists, yet we believe that the government should ban alcohol sales.

We want the same thing as prohibitionists, but for some unmentioned reason, we are completely different than them.

-END SUMMARY

Wow, I thought that I often ramble in my writings. This guy takes it to a new level.
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Bedrock Of The Community
United States
12128 Posts
Posted 10/26/2014   01:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just to quell any question about the reference cover I posted referring to the Anti-Dram movement in the US, here's a brief biography which connects the town of Petersboro, NY and the Anti-Dramshop Party (later the National Prohibition Party) and the fact that it was indeed from the United States:

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Edited by wt1 - 10/26/2014 01:04 am
Rest in Peace
United States
7097 Posts
Posted 10/26/2014   01:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So to reiterate for my own edification it is likely a damaged slug in the cancellation device and is NH?

OR on that other topic "Petersborough", New York: having dropped the "ugh" I immediately thought of Pittsburgh Pa. Because for a while the H was dropped but quickly put back for reasons unknown to me (because I'm not going to Google it) but and interesting thread nonetheless.
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Bedrock Of The Community
United States
12128 Posts
Posted 10/26/2014   01:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think we've established that the CDS shown in the initial scan is most likely Peterborough, New York (known after 1894 as Peterboro, NY).

I suspect the references I previously made about "Petersborough" (with an "s") is more than likely a typographical error, as "Peterborough" seems to be the established name. (The typo "Petersborough" (with an "s") appears in Jim Forte's Postal History Website, which is how I came up with it in the first place.)
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