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Is This A Roosevelt 5 Cent "Double Transfer"?

 
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Posted 11/29/2014   01:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add ccholley to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I am wondering if this is a Roosevelt "double transfer"? The ink is very heavy and wondered if it would be a "double transfer"? If not what causes such heavy ink, some of the ink even seems to bleed through to the back of the stamp. This also have a precancel and perfin. When laid next to another Roosevelt the differences are clear. Any help would be appreciated!









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Posted 11/29/2014   07:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't see any evidence of a double transfer. The stamp does looked over-inked.
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Posted 11/29/2014   09:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There are double transfers on this issue, but this stamp does not have any. The ink on the back is offset from being stacked while still wet, a common effect of flat plate stamps. In fact it is one of the standard ways to prove a flat plate stamp.
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Posted 11/29/2014   10:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ccholley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So Scott #557? This stamp sure has a lot going on! Thank you for your help!
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Posted 11/29/2014   10:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The pre cancelled stamp appears to be a rotary. Checking the perfs will tell for sure.
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Posted 11/29/2014   10:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ccholley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What would the ME stand for in the perfin?
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Posted 11/29/2014   10:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not my area at all, but there are perfin collectors here who might know.
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Posted 11/29/2014   11:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I am wondering if this is a Roosevelt "double transfer"? The ink is very heavy and wondered if it would be a "double transfer"? If not what causes such heavy ink, some of the ink even seems to bleed through to the back of the stamp.


From this I sense there may be a bit of confusion over what is "doubled" in a "double transfer." The quantity of ink has nothing to do with it, since a double transfer will show up in the final print of the stamp, but occurs earlier in the process. Let's review part of the process for intaglio, that is "engraved" printing.

A soft steel roll is rocked under great pressure over the stamp design that has been cut into a hardened steel die. The metal from the roll literally flows into the depressions in the design, resulting in an image of the design which stands out in relief on the roll. When a set of reliefs has been "transferred" to the roll, it too is case hardened. Then the roll is mounted in the transfer press and carefully positioned above a corner spot on a soft steel plate. Great pressure is applied as the roll is rocked onto the plate and the relief cuts into the plate creating an "entry," which is an exact duplicate on the plate of what appears on the die. After all the positions on a new plate have been "entered," that is, transferred in this way, the plate is put into a proofing press and inked in order to "prove" the workmanship with a test print called a "proof." Any of the entries that are incomplete or defective in some other way are burnished out and re-entered; i.e. a second attempt is made to transfer the design to the plate. However, if some of the original entry remains, or the roll has not been realigned for the same registration as the original entry, there may be some doubling of design features because of the two transfers. In the jargon of printers, and the philatelic community, the printed version of a doubly transferred entry is called a "double transfer." But the actual "transfer" was the act of re-entering the plate.

If you have followed that explanation, then you can see that a double transfer does not result from any kind of error in inking, such as inking the plate a second time. A double transfer will print out just fine with a normal inking of the plate. So when a stamp seems to have too much ink, you are looking for some other problem than a double transfer.
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Posted 11/29/2014   1:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ccholley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for all the help! It is 11 x 11 perfs.
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Posted 11/29/2014   2:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cfrphoto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The pre cancelled stamp appears to be a rotary. Checking the perfs will tell for sure.


No need to check the perforations. The appearance of the stamp is not even close to that of a rotary press printing. The stamp is a flat plate perf 11 557 with a locally applied precancel. Rotary press stamps would not have the ink setoff on the back and the shade would be a less intense shade of blue.

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Posted 11/29/2014   2:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ccholley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Clark!
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Posted 11/29/2014   2:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These are two different stamps, the perf initialed stamp is clearly a flat plat as I stated above, but the precancelled stamp only shows the front, so we don't know if it has any offset. It certainly looks larger than the perf initialed stamp, which is why I thought it might be a rotary.
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Posted 11/29/2014   3:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yep, the right stamp's perfs are different, it's slightly taller, and the detail is finer.

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Posted 11/29/2014   3:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Right stamp is a 637.
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