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Posted 12/03/2014   1:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Rookie23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello... I'm not trying to be the annoying guy that doesn't do his homework, but I was hoping somebody could provide me some guidance...

I'm trying to help my dad understand what he has inherited from generations before him... I've tried doing my research, but some of this is quite complex. Basically, he has a stamp book, the book has about 5 pages of USA stamps (guessing pre 40s), the book also has pages of foreign stamps (several pages each - Belgium, Germany, France, Italy... smaller selections of other countries around the world)... In addition, there's a box with hundreds of old stamps.... altogether, there has to be 1000 stamps...

Attached is a link to my dropbox with a couple pictures.... any idea on what I should do next?

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/p89yydle...TzvXwUa?dl=0

thanks in advance!

Andy (from Maryland)
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Posted 12/03/2014   1:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Andy,

Some quick guidance is that this is a beginner's collection of mostly low-valued items. In addition, stored as such, the value is even less as multiple stamps are damaged. I see a lot of precancels (city/state names) on a variety of stamps, but not much else of interest (to a serious collector).
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Posted 12/03/2014   2:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rookie23 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ok, thank you... at least I know!
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Posted 12/03/2014   2:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add yakboomer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Andy. assuming that you do not have any catalogs at hand, if you have a local library, they would most likely have a copy of Scott's Specialized US. Possibly you could check it out and use it to ID the US stamps. Most of what I see appear to be common but it is hard to tell from those pictures. There are some pre-cancel US on your pages and they can generate interest from some collectors Keep in mind that the values you may see in catalogs are for the most part not what you could sell for. After you have checked the US, you will need to decide if you want to continue with the foreign. When handling the stamps keep in mind that condition is important, so if you do not have any stamp tongs, you may wish to pick up a cheap pair. If you intend to remove stamps from pages, you may wish to do an internet search on soaking and drying stamps. May I ask if you or your Dad intend to collect stamps or are you looking to dispose of them?

regards, Theron.
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Posted 12/03/2014   2:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rookie23 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Theron... my dad and I are not stamp collectors, its just kind of something that's always been around... does the stamps books go into enough detail to differentiate between a "valuable stamp" and an ordinary one, or would a professional need to look at it?
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Posted 12/03/2014   3:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add XNBer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You'll find the Scott Catalog a little bit of a challenge to use, at first; but, once mastered, it makes sense and becomes easier to find out what you're looking for.
Yes, it gives the values of stamps in US$. The first price is for mint (unused) and the second price is for used (cancelled).
Keep in mind that the price is sort of a bench-mark and reflects what you may have to pay if buying from a dealer.
Selling is another story.
Usually dealing with another collector, half of catalog value (CV) is the start-point for bargaining. Final price is up to fate.
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Posted 12/03/2014   3:52 pm  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Rileysan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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You'll find the Scott Catalog a little bit of a challenge to use, at first; but, once mastered, it makes sense and becomes easier to find out what you're looking for.


This is worthy of an entirely different thread - but I contend that most stamp collectors (even those with decades of experience) have not mastered the use of (Scott) catalogues. In fact, I believe that most collectors have never even read the introduction at the beginning of the catalogues that teach how to use them (present company excluded - SCF is chocked full of people who actively seek to learn by reading anything they can get their hands on)


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does the stamps books go into enough detail to differentiate between a "valuable stamp" and an ordinary one, or would a professional need to look at it?



Rookie23 - your collection contains a lot of common stamps that do not require any investigation beyond inspecting the pictures you have posted for us. There are specialty catalogues that can identify the pre-cancels on the stamps in the last 3 photos that the Scott catalogues will not mention.

Finally, for those few stamps with lots of varieties (IE: the 1908-1922 Washington/Franklin stamps) that might make it tough to identify the exact catalogue number from a picture, there is not enough of a difference in catalogue values to concern yourself with identifying the exact cat # - unless you intend to take up the hobby.

Overall, you have a few dollars in retail value in this collection. Still, it would be a great starting point for anyone wanting to get into the hobby.

Cheers!

Brian
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Posted 12/03/2014   5:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add CanadaStamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would NEVER send a novice to the library and suggest they attempt to catalogue their stamps. Scott's is hard enough for a SERIOUS collector. And early USA requires an expert to know whether you are looking at a $thousand or .01 cents
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Posted 12/03/2014   5:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I disagree, the 1908-1922 Washington/Franklin stamps DO have enough difference in catalog values to make it worthwhile to identify them. However, it's not an easy task for a beginner and probably not worth the effort to learn to do so for someone that doesn't want to collect.

The odds are very much in favor of all of them being common varieties, but it might be worth it to take it to a nearby stamp dealer or two or maybe a stamp club meeting.
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Posted 12/03/2014   6:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Canada, by making no positive recommendation of your own, you came off sounding negative. What did you see in that collection that made you think he was going to have problems with classic US? The Specialized illustrates everything he needs to look up, which helps. And although it takes skill to recognize the rare versions of many stamps, that is equally true for simpler catalogs. That said, if you had an easier catalog for him to use, you didn't mention it.

I thought the page of precancels was rather impressive, and I also found merit in the group of early Christmas seals. My suggestion: handle the stamps with care and respect as you have been, and get some guidebooks at the local library to help you sort it out. Don't pay a lot of money to a professional on what you have shown us. If s/he gives you a free estimate, trust your gut on whether or not to believe it. But it does not look like there is a lot of value there to protect. Then again, I have not seen what you have not shown.
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Posted 12/03/2014   6:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rookie23 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I really appreciate all the dialogue.. The collection was started by my great great grandparents in Boston area (so its not a collection by anyone in the last 60 years)... the last additions were by my grand parents probably in the 60s.... I will try and take more pictures of the rest of the stamps.... thanks for everyone's comments!
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Posted 12/03/2014   7:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ikeyPikey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In the nicest way possible, I think that little instruction booklet might be the pick of the litter but, then, I've got a fondness for ephemera :)

I recently acquired (eg, bought with cash money) a patriotic WW2-era booklet on the contribution your home refrigerator could make to the war effort. If one of y'all would kindly dare me to prove I'm not kidding, I would be happy to put it up on Flickr.

As others have noted, the US stamps with city-state names neatly printed on them are called 'precancels'.

http://www.precancels.com/ <== LEARN MORE HERE

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey
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Posted 12/03/2014   7:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Hieronymus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
EssayK, I would think that CanadaStamp might have been reacting to something I've noticed occurs from time to time here. A complete novice asks for advice and is told to go to the library and find the Scott Catalogue. This might be good advice for someone who has already had some orientation to the hobby but for a complete novice, I agree with CanadaStamp, it's really not helpful.

Yes, it would have been good if Canada Stamp had given positive alternative advice.

So I'll try. Rookie23: go to http://stamps.org/A-Hobby-for-Everyone and, after reading that short blurb, read a few of the sections that follow--how to identify stamps, glossary of terms, tools needed etc. Similar "how to collect stamps" information is available at other sites--google for "how to collect stamps"--there's no substitute for learning at least the very basics.

stampworld.com has an online catalogue with pictures of most stamps for most countries of the world. Go to the "Catalogue" tab. Watch the "how to" video and read any other introductory material. Then find the various maps, click on the country you want to identify stamps from. But assuming you click on the US first, what will come up are the very earliest stamps, very expensive, hard to identify because tiny little differences matter and you certainly don't have any. So skip ahead to 1900 or even 1930 or 1950. If your album has stamps mounted under date ranges, use those to find a time period where you have a number of stamps and start there rather than with the earliest.

Stampworld has information for each stamp that you will just ignore--like listing how many of each stamp were issued (millions and billions, in some cases). This can be important in determining prices but you should just ignore it.

Alternatively, as mentioned, try to find a printed catalogue (Scott Standard Postage Stamp Catalogue in six volumes, with the US in volume 1) in a library. Paging through it might be easier than scrolling around at stampworld but stampworld.com is available to you right now through the magic of the internet.

Either way, as others have noted, it helps to read at least some of the introductory material, enough to understand how the catalogue listings are set up.

I would go much further than others upthread. Catalogue values are very far removed from what your stamps are worth. I would use something like 10% or 20% of any catalogue value as my starting point, not 50%. Damaged stamps, at least those that catalogue at minimal values to begin worth, are worth nothing (as in zero).

But it's not about the dollar value, it's about the bits of history and geography and culture embedded in the stamps.


Now, that's a pile of written advice and it may seem overwhelming. Take it one step at a time.

Or see if there's a stamp club in your area. Or ask around to try to find someone, anyone, who collects stamps who can sit down with you and walk you through things. If you can't find anyone, ask your questions here. People will try to help. They can't and don't want to do everything for you (and in many cases, without high-resolution scans can't identify individual stamps for you). But at the same time, any beginner will be confused and put off by trying to figure out catalogues and all the rest of this stuff by himself. So read the simple tutorials, then come back with questions.

And those who gave you a general assessment of what they could see from the photos and your description (1000 stamps total) are right: it's very, very unlikely that you have anything except very common beginner type stamps. A 1000-stamp collection is a beginner's collection. However, in your last comment you say it was begun by your great-grandparents. 1920s? Maybe earlier? That's old but still was at a time when millions of people were collecting and most stamps were worth little, so the likelihood of any really valuable stamps is low.

At the same time, it's always possible, merely possible, that a sleeper or two might be in among those 1000s. You can't find any sleepers right off the bat and no one on this forum can do that for you right off the bat. But you can have some fun learning the basics and learning to distinguish the different kinds of stamps, different eras they come from, different countries. And then you might find something that's a step or two beyond the totally ordinary. None of us can help you unless you were to post clear scans of each stamp and even if you took the time to do that, it could be that no one here has time to look at every single one. So that's why there's no substitute for you getting at least a basic orientation and beginning to sort things out.

Photographs are often not terribly helpful, especially if you photograph from an angle and cluster several stamps in one photo. To do much good, you need flat scans at a decent resolution. Yes, photos are a stopgap but if you can only do photos, be aware that that limits what those who look at them can determine.

What we can do we've already done: assessed your 1000-stamp collection as a beginner's collection begun perhaps in the 1910s or 1920 and which might have some more than minimal things (pre-cancels--the ones with the city name and a bar above and below--etc.) but then again, might not.

Don't hesitate to ask questions in this forum. I think most people were trying to communicate to you that there's no shortcut, no magic wand that permits us, despite good will and desire to help, to answer your basic question: anything valuable or special here?

There might be. Most likely there isn't. But have fun finding out.
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Posted 12/03/2014   7:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ikey, I'll bite. I want to know how my grandparent's refrigerator could help WWII.

Rookie23, could you post a few images of what's inside or your "The Stamp Finder" booklet? Maybe an image or two of pages that seem interesting to you?
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Posted 12/03/2014   9:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rookie23 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thanks again for all this advice.. I was actually fortunate to get in contact with a local expert who is willing to meet up and look at this collection.... as soon as I meet with him, I will update everyone on the results...

thanks again,

Andy
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Posted 12/03/2014   9:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I wish you good luck. The probability of rarities is low, but it is possible. I look forward to an update regardless of finding rarities or not. Just make sure that you trust whoever that you meet to evaluate what you have. Take care, Ryan
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