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Another Reperfed 500 ??

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Posted 04/13/2015   9:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add chaulkdust to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I need a Scott 500 for my collection and was looking at this one up for auction. The more I looked at the stamp, it seems the perfs on the right side (looking at the image) appear to be too round? Pulled this image from the auction site so it's poor resolution prohibits detailed analysis. But just eyeballing it what do folks think in general?



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Posted 04/13/2015   9:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chaulkdust to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is another slightly better image but still not a high enough resolution.



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Posted 04/13/2015   9:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That is an offset printed stamp which are often confused wtih #500. The right perfs don't appear to be non-original.
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Posted 04/13/2015   9:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 1847bill to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It looks bad because it is an offset print and not a Scott 500. There are 5 types of 2 cent offset with perforations. You can tell by the pinkish shade and overinked appearance. Do a search for 500 here and you will see plenty to compare. You can find a real one. Keep looking and asking questions.
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Posted 04/13/2015   9:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a discussion that provides some help in how to identify offset stamps: https://goscf.com/t/40951#348932

Offset stamps differ in that they do not have any ridges which are present on the intaglio/engraved process of manufacturing the flat plate and rotary printed stamps. Some collectors gently drag their fingernails across to detect ridges. Another method is the "tinfoil test" where you lay a piece of thin/cheap aluminum foil over the stamp and rub across the surface of it with something like a cotton swab. If it is offset printed, then no lines will show of the surface of the foil. The design will appear on the foil if it is a flat plate or rotary stamp.

Edit: if this is an auction presented as a #500, then please take the small amount of time to post the inaccuracy to http://www.stampsmarter.com/ to inform others.
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Posted 04/13/2015   10:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 1847bill to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That stamp has 7 bids and is at $21.+ with 12 hours to go. Seller has offset stamps for sale. He must be listing by the numbers the collector had them in. If you are 1 of the bidders and win have seller test the stamp before paying.
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Posted 04/13/2015   10:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This link leads to two images that show the result of a tinfoil test that indicates flat plate or rotary printings. It isn't the easiest to see that the design of the test stamp was transferred to the foil, but it does show that the tested stamp is not an offset printing.

https://goscf.com/t/40718#348957
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Posted 04/13/2015   10:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's certainly an offset, it has the characteristics of type IV, V or Va based on the left numeral. The other characteristics cannot be seen in this image.
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Posted 04/13/2015   10:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a previous discussion where you and I were involved which provides great information for identifying #500. Pay the closest attention to the links provided by srailkb:

https://goscf.com/t/41826
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Posted 04/13/2015   10:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A quick examination of the left numeral 2 in all the images in that post will show a significant difference to the left two of the stamp that started this post. The stamp that started this post is an offset. There is no question about it, the only question is which type, as I said this image is not clear enough to tell that.
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Posted 04/13/2015   10:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
revcollector, I am not disputing that with my additional posts. chaulkdust's post focused on finding a #500 to fill their collection. As for identification of the stamp in question, I agree that the left numeral 2 is important and that a better image is required to identify it. chaulkdust doesn't seem concerned to know the definitive identification of the stamp that they are posting.
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Posted 04/13/2015   10:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chaulkdust to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yikes, totally missed the broken line in left 2. I was so worried about the the perfs. Yep, offset, yes I will try and post to the site recommended about this auction.
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Posted 04/13/2015   11:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chaulkdust to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sent a message to the seller about the stamp. Mentioned the tin foil test as well as the left 2. Couldn't post to stampsmarter since I was not a member, but did send them a message about the auction item on ebay. Also, signed up for a membership but the auction will probably be over by the time they can post it? Hopefully the seller will retract the item.
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Posted 04/13/2015   11:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add raymodj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good timing, I just reported this one on Stamp Smarter earlier today.

Its usually easy to spot the 2 cent offset printings because Washington looks like he's wearing lots of eye shadow.
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Posted 04/13/2015   11:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a larger clearer shot...

It's an offset Type V, # 527...
Tell the seller to cancel the bids and take down the listing...

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Posted 04/13/2015   11:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a 500 cancel that's almost not a cancel that
Brian Metz (Oceanview) is selling at $135 OBO...

You might try going in at $85 and see if he accepts
it or counters reasonably...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/500-F-VF-ne...em2c7976d591

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