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Posted 07/13/2015   9:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add I Brake For Stamps to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Just got this. Look closely at the perfs. Both perforated edges appear to angle towards the left side of the stamp. i.e. If a straight line was drawn through each, they would eventually cross somewhere to the left. I don't see how a roll of coils could be perforated this way.



I am wondering if this has been faked (from a US #383 with wide margins perhaps), or if my imagination is imagining things.

Please advise...Thanks...


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Posted 07/13/2015   9:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree that the rows of perforations don't appear original, the lines should be at least roughly parallel. In the image below, the blue line has been copied and shifted to the top red line to show the difference in angle. Overall, the perf holes look too clean and round. It seems faked to me.

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Posted 07/13/2015   9:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Al E. Gator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Its not possible for genuine perfs. not to be parallel with each other.
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Posted 07/13/2015   10:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
On these stamps they must be parallel. However I have seen some high value stock transfer "reds" with genuine horizontal perforations that do not align as parallel. Since they were issued in panes of four in a vertical format it would be possible for one wheel to be misaligned and create off kilter perfs.
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Posted 07/13/2015   10:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
revcollector, that is an interesting observation that I don't completely understand. Can you give us Scott numbers and elaborate how the "off kilter perfs" occurred? Thanks.
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Posted 07/14/2015   7:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimjung to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
With Canada stamps, I usually try to line up the perfs across the stamp also. Not sure if this is the same with US stamps. You can see, especially on the left side, that the first perf doesn't line up.

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Edited by jimjung - 07/14/2015 7:17 pm
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Posted 07/14/2015   7:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If some one created the perfs, he is deadly accurate..The distance between 12 perf hollows is exactly 369 px on my rulers.

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::: UPDATE :::

Just got a long nice note from the seller. Among other things, he said he had consulted with some other collectors and dealers that he said he highly respected. They agreed also that the perfs were fake. Also he has issued me a full refund.

And yes, whoever faked the stamp was a near expert. It would have thrown me except I didn't think the perf lines could slope in the same direction on a stamp as DNA pointed out.

Thanks all for your help and responses once again.


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Posted 07/14/2015   9:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Al E. Gator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
jimjung, On flat plate issues, the perfs. will seldom ever line up.
With the introduction of the rotary press, perfs. did line up evenly on opposite sides of coil stamps. Those who are good at adding fake perforations know this.
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Posted 07/14/2015   10:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Any of the documentary reds of values of $30 or higher which were issued every year from 1940 to 1958. Various Scott numbers starting with R330 and running intermittently to R732. With such small panes (only 4 stamps), all it takes is one wheel misaligned a bit.
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Posted 07/14/2015   10:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Historical DNA Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
revcollector, I think that I understand now. Thank you for the elaboration.
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