I Need Help About 2 Stamps I've Found On Flea Market

Hello, my Name is Zoran and I come from Switzerland.

I'm not a Stamps Collector but I have found two Stamp ( see Scans ) in a book that I have found on a flea market here in Switzerland.

after many days search in internet and after having measured several times with Perforation gauge ( Odontometer ) this size have both stamps 19,25 x22,50, the holes are almost certainly 11x11.

can anyone tell me if this Stamps are realy Scott 596 / 594 or another number?? all punkt are the same as 596!

thanks for your reply and sorry for my bad English

Greetings from Switzerland.












thanks

Zoran, have a look at this thread: https://goscf.com/t/15163

Thank you KGB, but my English is so bad, I understand ca. 20% from all what there was writen. for me is better if anyone here write what the number have this stamps. Thanks

Why waste time? Both stamps are the flat plate perf 11 Scott 552. The second stamp is a bit torn up on the back, but both stamps have flecks of ink set off on the back, indicating flat plate. The margins are too big for rotary press stamps. Check the Siegel Census of 594 and 596 at www.siegelauctions.com.

Clark

If I may interpret what Clark wrote for someone unfamiliar with stamp collecting and working with English as a second language:

1. The stamps are Scott 552. Why? Because they are flat plate printings, not rotary press. To be a 594 or 596 they would have to be rotary printings. The stamps pictured here are flat plate because they have traces of green ink on the back side. When flat plate stamps were printed, the sheets were stacked on top of each other and some ink almost always transferred from the still slightly wet sheet below. Zoran, you apparently measured the design but the problem with that is that visually measuring with a ruler simply cannot be done accurately enough. Clark has used the opposite method--pointing out the size of the margins as ruling out a larger size rotary.

2. The link Clark provided takes you to Robert Siegel Auctions where you will find a census of genuine 594s and 596s. If you use the "power search" feature at Siegel Auctions, you can get a record of all sales of legitimate 594s and 596s over several decades time to compare with your two stamps.

Incidentally, Clark is one of the most expert students of American philately to be found anywhere. Really. Truly. His assessment should be taken very seriously. Very. Seriously.

edited for typographic error

His comment about ink flecks referred to the first two stamps specifically. But I wish the first three words in that first sentence had been, "You can tell...

Now we have more explaining to do for a non-English speaker.


The two green stamps in question are not flat plate because they have traces of green ink on the reverse. Rather, they have traces of green ink on the reverse because they are flat plate printed. The ink flecks are a point of RECOGNITION, but they don't explain the distinction and are not causative.


Ancazi - Ink deposits on the reverses of stamps, either on the gum or on the paper, are known as "set-offs." They occur when the backs of stamps make contact with the front of freshly printed stamps before the ink is completely dry. They may also occur when considerable pressure is applied. Stamps printed by flat plate came off the press before they were gummed, and were stacked. This allowed set-offs onto the paper.

The presence of flecks of ink on the reverse of the PAPER cannot happen with stamps printed by rotary press.

The reason is because the gum was applied to the paper web and dried before the front of one stamp could come into contact with the back of another. So, flecks on the paper tend to rule out rotary press printing. Gum setoffs might occur, but they disappear when the gum is washed off.

Knowing this saves time in sorting out the stamps, because anything with set-offs on the paper must be flat plate. Measuring it should bear that out.

There will be less confusion if you start a new thread for these.

Hi Zoran.. The 2c George Washington Stamps with the unusual perforation are referred to as the "Shermack hypenhole Type 111" perforation stamps. The Shermack Company became known as the mail-om-meter and later changed name to the mail o meter.
There are ways to tell the difference of types known for the "Shermack" stamps. The Type I has a seven hole punch. The Type 11, have six hole punch. They were only on strips. The Type shown on yours is known as Shermack Type 111 which are known as the hypenhole punch. They were 10 different denominations,years and colors that had the specific Hypenhole punch. For the specific 2 cent stamp: They were known on the 2 cent 1902, (Scott #320, and Scott #320a) The 1908, 2 cent Carmine stamp, Scott (#344), and the 2 cent 1909 Lincoln stamps (Scott # 368 2and 3 mm apart).

Unused mail- o- meter stamps have been known to be displayed for selling in certain US Auction Houses. I have a private collection of them too.

thanks for reply guys, Recommended by " essayk " I deleted last two posting here and will opened a new Thread so that does not come to less confusion.

Greetings from Switzerland

thanks blazenstar for the reply, which exactly Scott nr. have this my Stamps and are this Schermack stamps worth something?'

Can someone please assist me on this stamp. It is white wove paper,used George Washington 3 cent grill without gum with light blue cancellation marking. Which grill is this? I have been informed there are two types, "H" and "I" both can be placed on a 3 cent. Does the value change due to grill size including does the value increase due to no gum?

Blazenstar, your pictures are, at least on my screen not showing a grill very readable. I do not understand your question about the gum. Why do you think a used stamp should have gum?

Peter

"H" Grill - about 10 x 12 mm.
"I" Grill - about 8 1/2 x 10 mm.

Hi peter..been a few days.... it definitely can see both sides of the stamp has grill..i made a mistake placing under this topic...started a one.