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Posted 08/25/2015   07:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add mlesage1954 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Trying to determine if stamp is Scott #500 deep rose. It has the type 1 scroll shading and the front of the ear seems like a vertical line. It is a perf 11, flat plate. Can not find a watermark. Need help to ID.

Mike L

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Posted 08/25/2015   10:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add georgesstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks deep rose. It does look like type 1a, good chance it is a 500.
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Posted 08/25/2015   1:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add themachine99 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A better picture, preferably a scan, would definitely help us identify it correctly. From that image, it appears to be Scott #500, but again a better picture is needed to be certain.
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Posted 08/25/2015   2:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And preferably with a known copy of this stamp, so we can better compare colors. On my computer screen it looks like your stamps is grossly overinked!

Peter
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Posted 08/25/2015   2:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mlesage1954 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I will scan it again at higher resolution, but scan image is limited in size that you can post.

When you are looking at the stamp, one is struck by how red it is. Will get know copy and post it side by side against ole' super red.
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Posted 08/25/2015   3:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add themachine99 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Peter I agree that it looks way over-inked, didn't know if it was just my monitor though....

@mlesage1954 It may help if you scan it on a black background BTW. Looking forward to seeing the new scan!
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Posted 08/25/2015   3:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like a 500, but the contrast and brightness
needs to get manipulated to clarify the over-scan...

PLUS a nice clear LARGE scan of the button/ribbon area...

If your scanner will go up to 1200dpi, it would be preferable
to scan at that resolution...
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Posted 08/25/2015   8:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mlesage1954 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have scanned an image of my stamp (larger picture on the top) and a known example of a Scott #500 stamp (smaller picture on bottom).



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Posted 08/25/2015   8:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Al E. Gator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
mlesage1954, I do not see any evidence on your stamp of small partial lines in the ribbon where you see the second line in type-III 2-cent W/Fs. Not all 500s have those lines, but many do. The toga rope and button do not look right--not strong enough. Your stamp seem out of focus, or most likely heavily inked which blurs the image, which makes it difficult to be sure, but I don't think its a 500.
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Posted 08/25/2015   9:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Mlesage...

After examining all of the detail in the larger scan,
and using the process of elimination, this stamp appears
to NOT be a 500... rather the "Full Type I" design...

Furthermore, you need to check for a watermark... if you
should find single line, then it's a 461... if not, it's
the 499...

To some viewers, (depending upon their monitor resolution),
some may be thinking it's an offset... the process of
elimination rules out offsets by details...

Lastly, the only time (I have personally) seen the "chopped"
right *2* with the vertical cut where it should be an upward
curve has been with the Full Type I...

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EDIT : One more point... viewing the arc sizes of the top and
bottom perfs, they almost appear Perf 10... in which case the
stamp would be a 539... however the corner to corner strongly
indicates Perf 11...
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Tough stamp...

Randall
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Edited by disi123 - 08/25/2015 9:19 pm
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Posted 08/25/2015   9:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add themachine99 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Your stamp is definitely perf. 11x11, Scott #499 (unless there's a watermark, as disi123 mentioned). The uneven lines in the toga rope are a giveaway that your stamp is not type 1a. It is a neat stamp nonetheless!
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Posted 08/25/2015   9:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Joe Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
How about this one?

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Posted 08/25/2015   9:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add themachine99 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Joe, your stamp is perforated 12, and thus is Scott #406.
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Posted 08/25/2015   9:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Joe... if you're going through alot of 2-centers, you need to first
search for watermarks (in the hopes of) finding 461's...

In the absence of a watermark, in the case of your current example,
your stamp would be a 499...
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Posted 08/25/2015   10:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Joe Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Machine99 using the "Precision U.S. Specialty Multi Gauge: its an 11 x 11.

I was thinking of sending it in to ID.
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Posted 08/25/2015   10:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
@Joe, your stamp is perforated 12, and thus is Scott #406


Positively *not* perf 12...
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