3 Cent Plate 2e, Maybe

I would certainly be interested, if they turn up.
I believe I have stamps with, 'extra vertical lines outside frame lines' and 'frame lines close to design' types, plate three is of great interest.

Keep me posted.

Sorry, Stampcrow. I looked through every box I could think of, and It looks like I no longer have the duplicate Chase prints. I checked my records and confirmed I initially ordered prints for plates 1L, 2L, 3, 4, 5 and 6 for $300 (12 prints at $25 per print) in 2001, then the full set of 26 prints for $500 (bulk discount) later in 2001. I believe I sold the duplicate prints within a few years after I bought them.

I'd be happy to look at your "three-rows" from plate 3 stamps if you'll post images.

http://postalmuseum.si.edu/collecti...studies.html

Thanks for taking the time. I've got the Carroll Chase book on the way. That should keep me busy for a bit. I'm thinking, a few of these plate prints, would make a nice Christmas present.



Yes I will. Over the next few days I'll scan some that I feel are probable plate 3.

Happy to help!

The "three-rows" positions are covered in great detail, and all 30 are illustrated starting on page 103 of my 1975 edition of Carroll Chase's book. Overall, only a very small percentage of the 2600 imperforate positions are illustrated. So the plate prints are a must if you want to get fully into plating.

This isn't the "three-rows" variety, but was on a page I was working at. Thought I would post it here, instead of starting a new thread.
Your info about the Chase, book and its coverage of plate 3, has me re-thinking which plate prints I might purchase.

I believe this stamp is 90L3...

Stampcrow,

That is a "three-rows" variety (variety #7: frame line takes place of left inner line):

http://www.uspcs.org/the-1851-1860-...1-3c-issue/3¢-stamp-plating/

I agree that this looks like a match for 90L3, but your images are blurry. Did you use a scanner?

Sorry, I misunderstood the "three-rows" variety. Thanks.

Yes, I used a scanner. I seem to have mixed results with quality. It only goes to 600dpi.

Here is a diagram of the "Three Rows" that you will see in the Chase book, showing the extra and missing frame lines at each position. There is some interesting reading in Chase regarding how these came about:

This is fantastic. If I'm looking at it correctly, and it seems pretty simple, my stamp below is 89L3.
It has the inner line the frame line and two lines outside the frame line. That narrows it down to two positions, 89 and 99L3. Then I see the guide dot lower left. That tells me, it cannot be a bottom row position. That eliminates the 99L3.

Classic Coins, I believe this stamp to be 89L3...



This stamp also has notation on the back. 1&C RQ or maybe Ra.

Yup, that's 89L3, for sure. Chase shows the guide dot in the same position.

Here is 99L3 for comparison. Two extra lines outside of the left outer frame line. I cheated and used a DSLR camera to get this image. This is also a "plate wiped too clean" printing variety. When the excess ink was wiped off the bottom edge of the plate before it was applied to the paper, the worker wiped into the bottom row a little bit, and the bottom third of the stamp was under-inked as a result (look in the dark oval under Washington's chin).

I used the diagram below for the guide dot 'guidance'. Along with your Chase diagram, stamp ID'd. This is great. Thanks.


I feel like I'm taking the next step with this collection. The previous owner has notes on some of the pages but no platting notes. This particular page (that contained the above stamp) has four stamps hinged and a note at the top, "no extra line on right, and two extra lines on left".
Another page for instance, has 15 stamps, but no note atop the page. Two stamps have OB noted above them. Another has San Francisco PAID written below it, identifying the cancel.
This kind of thing goes on for 65 pages

I was posting while you posted your 99L3, so I hadn't seen it. Great image. I will try my camera with my next one.

Having that partial, "plate wiped too clean" variety, is really interesting.

This one is "one extra line at right" variety. Using the same tools as above, and the pictures from this page http://www.stamps4collectors.com/in...cphotos.html I have this as 68L3.
The rosette bottom right encroaches on the frame line, in their examples as in mine.

I used my camera for this one.


Edit: and the guide dot tucked into the corner.

68L3, for sure! A very distinct guide dot. Great margins, but very sulfuretted on the left half. Your camera does better than your scanner.