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Posted 10/23/2015   7:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add dittrich to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
hallo letter is from August 1878 (shipper is Continental Bank Note / securi mark). the stamp should to be #158.

but is more soft porous paper?





parallel #158 right


parallel #184 right
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Posted 10/23/2015   8:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
dittrich, I'm not certain what you are asking. Scott 184 was issued the year after your cover. The stamp is likely 158 (with, it looks like, the secret mark.)
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Posted 10/24/2015   1:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Transillumination (lighting through the stamp) will not work while the stamp is on cover. The paper of the envelope will interfere. However, certain surface characteristics, and the condition of the perforation holes, suggests that the stamp on this cover is on the "intermediate paper" used by Continental late in its tenure of the contract.

Intermediate paper - this is paper with a different kind of sizing agent than so called "hard paper." The fabric of this paper is not as dense as hard paper. It was used by Continental from about 1877-1879, and continued to be used by the American Bank Note Company when Continental became part of American. Covers on this paper dated before February 4, 1879 (the date of the merger) are attributed to Continental, even though the paper was used by American for a short time. Nonetheless, the intermediate paper is a type of soft paper, and is classed as a #184. All this is recognized by the editors of Scott's U.S. Specialized catalog who list the earliest documented use of #184 as July 2, 1878. There is an extensive note in the catalog explaining this situation. However, the album makers have not kept up with this detail, which adds to a confusion about paper type.

Let me add that your cover is a nice example of this special subject, and I am sure it is satisfying to have something that bridges a gap in the study of the different papers used by these companies.
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Edited by essayk - 10/24/2015 2:02 pm
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Posted 10/24/2015   2:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dittrich to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
hallo KGB, the stamp is rather #184

parallel #184 bottom


parallel #158 bottom


the stamp have gum


under UV show different coloring to #184 and 158


http://www.stampsmarter.com/1847usa...entifier.htm to mean UDE is 8/19/1878

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can the gum that problem to be soft porous look?

... thanks @essayk for your extensive explanation
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Edited by dittrich - 10/24/2015 2:17 pm
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Posted 10/24/2015   3:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, essay!
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