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How To Tell Original From Reengraving?

 
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Posted 11/14/2015   10:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add ddreisba to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Folks,
How does on tell an original from a re-engraving? I an thinking especially of Scott 187 and 209. My catalogue uses the same picture for each.

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Posted 11/14/2015   11:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
d, the 6 cent re-engraving contains three vertical lines at the left of the design instead of four.
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Posted 11/14/2015   2:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It might help to do a couple of side-by-side comparisons.

On the left is a 187, and on the right is a 209:




Notice that the 209 has a more 'rough cut" look to its engraving. Certain details, such as the treatment of the eye, is stronger, and the shading of the neck is now strong lines more than dashes.

The U.S. Specialized catalog calls attention to the number of shading lines between the vignette frame and the left frame of the stamp:



Here you can see that the 187, on the left, has five fine vertical lines in that space, whereas the 209 has four coarse lines.

Overall the cut of the engraving was made heavier than it had been before. This is because the company had transitioned to printing on a thicker, softer paper with a different kind of sizing agent. The new paper responded to printing ink differently and would no longer support fine lines of printing. The surviving stamps don't tell the whole story, because we only see the product that they were willing to give to the public. We don't get to see the large amount of spoilage that made the old designs unprofitable. But that was a driver in the move to redesign this stamp.

If you understand the forces that drove the change, you may be able to see the differences more clearly.

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Edited by essayk - 11/14/2015 2:23 pm
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Posted 11/14/2015   6:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There really is a dramatic difference, isn't there? Thanks, essay!
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Posted 11/15/2015   07:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ddreisba to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you so much, KGB and Essay! However, the stamp 187 that you picture looks very much like my catalogue picture of 139. How do I tell them apart?

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Posted 11/15/2015   07:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
d, 139 has a grill.
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Posted 11/15/2015   07:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This web site might help you.
http://www.stampsmarter.com/1847usa/index.htm
Don

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Posted 11/15/2015   09:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ddreisba to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, KGB. 139 has a grill, but its sister, 150 does not.

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Posted 11/15/2015   09:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ddreisba to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Studebaker,
The web site is extremely helpful. Thanks. But it's a lot for my tired old head to take in.
Don
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Posted 11/15/2015   10:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'll try to summarize for all of this design and color.

139 A49 grill, though often faint or incomplete, white wove paper
150 A49 white wove paper
161 A49a technically a new design (with secret mark), some stamps may have an experimental grill, thin hard grayish-white paper
172 A49a special printing, pale brown, no gum, hard, very white wove paper
187 A49 soft porous paper
188 A49a soft porous paper
188b A49a? black brown (not in my Scott but mentioned in Blackbook)
197 A49a deep brown, special printing
209 A49b re-engraved as described by essay, deep brown
209b A49b black brown, re-engraved as immediately above

Honestly, I think all the variations here are hard to discern without experience and perhaps identified stamps for side-to-side comparison.




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