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3 Cent Rose Type 1 With Inner Perforations On Cover- Error?

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Posted 11/21/2015   1:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add blazenstar to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello everyone. I would like to ask a question pertaining to this cover, I believe it is a 3 cent rose, type 1..on the right side of front cover, there are 12 perforation holes. Do these perforations consider the stamp to be an error and would this increase or depreciate the value of the stamp? Is this common viewed with these 3 cent stamps? Since the cover is in poor condition due to flaking and creasing ect the cover, although the stamp appears to be in nice condition with wide margins. I donot feel comfortable removing stamp from cover. Any information would be appreciated. Thank you in advance

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Posted 11/21/2015   3:25 pm  Show Profile Check ray.mac's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ray.mac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Star, does the stamp appear to be sound? If so, with those margins on the sides, it's a beautiful copy.

You're correct that it is a Type I, #25. I think that the CV in Scott overvalues the #25 a little bit, because they're not that uncommon, but nevertheless, this is a really nice copy if it's sound.

You're also right that the cover is probably not adding to the value, but I also don't think that it takes value away. I'm curious as to whether others will suggest that you remove the stamp. I usually don't.

But, this is a nice stamp if it's sound...hope so.
Ray
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Posted 11/21/2015   4:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Hal to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Do not remove the stamp from the cover. You'll lose value from the item immediately and no one will be able determine the point of origin of the cancellation. The item is worth far more, from a post history standpoint, on cover.

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Posted 11/21/2015   4:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Completely agree, while the cover isn't in good shape you will not increase the value by removing it from the cover. Leave it on.
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Posted 11/21/2015   6:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add blazenstar to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, Ray Mac for your kind comments. Yes, I agree it is a beautiful sound, used stamp on a poor condition cover. According to the stamp seller, it is a genuine stamp on cover, however, no certifications came with it.
The stamp seller bought a selection of mix covers, and this cover caught my eye immediately to purchase it for a very limited price. Unfortunately,the cover had not been preserved properly over the years.when I returned to my location, examined more closely, I noticed the error with the perforation holes.( between the oval and vertical line on right.)

I know there are many Scott 25 on covers, but I don't often see with error so distinct in such a beautiful condition with wide margins. Are errors with a Scott 25 type 1 makes it more in market demand?
Ray Mac, thank you for informing me that you feel it would not take away the value although though the cover is in such poor condition for 157 years old. I have it in a protective covering at the moment.
Would enjoy reading what others may suggest as well..

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Blazenstar
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Posted 11/21/2015   6:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add blazenstar to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you so much Hal and Stallzer for your recommendations too. I will follow what all of you expressed.I will keep it on and not remove it.

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Posted 11/21/2015   6:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add carlberky to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Forgive my ignorance, but that stamp looks remarkably like a coil! I pretty sure that they didn't have vending machines back in 1857.
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Posted 11/21/2015   6:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add blazenstar to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Carl, thank you for your response..The used stamp has perforations on the left side before wide margins and bottom, including perforation holes between the oval and vertical line on left. I will see if I can make a better photo of just the stamp with the optimizer in forum for a better view.

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Posted 11/21/2015   7:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add blazenstar to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply




I hope this photo is helpful to view what I was discussing about. You can see in the stamp with the error as well.

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Posted 11/21/2015   7:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add carlberky to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Blazenstar, for the enlargement.
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Posted 11/21/2015   7:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add blazenstar to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I turned the stamp @90 degrees to get a better view. appears perforations between the oval and right vertical line was not completed and off from area noted on normal stamps.
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Posted 11/21/2015   7:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add blazenstar to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
your welcome, Carl.I hope this was alittle better photograph.

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Posted 11/21/2015   9:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Blazenstar, I agree with you and everyone else. It is a beautiful stamp. But what is the error that you are talking about?

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Posted 11/21/2015   9:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
blazenstar,

Your stamp has the normal perforations on four sides, but the perforations are shifted well down and to the left in relation to the stamp design. At right is the sheet margin, hence the straight edge. So the only "error" I see is a poor alignment of the perforations. It doesn't appear to be far enough off to be considered a misperforation error, but I'm not well versed in this type of error, and how far off (percentage) it needs to be to be collectible as an error.

Removing the stamp from the cover would result in a loss of postal history; an envelope mailed from Pittsburgh PA to Harry Shellman in Westminster Maryland. Whether that is significant enough for saving is ultimately a personal choice. Harry's photo appears on page 9 of the document below:

http://www.hsccmd.org/Documents/SHERMAN.pdf
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Posted 11/21/2015   9:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add blazenstar to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your comments, Peter and Classic Coins. I noticed the shifted perforations are not completed either, nor punch holes seen in circles below open area..looks like a skip. thought it would be considered an error since not even completed to the bottom of the stamp and shifted to side. We all agree, not removing stamp from cover, not a good idea. would depreciate the value.
Thank you classic coins,for the interesting postal history information. Appreciate it!
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Posted 11/21/2015   9:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
blazenstar,

I can't tell from your images if your stamp has missing perforations or if there are perforations but the punched paper is still in the holes (blind perfs). Missing perforations and blind perfs are very common on this issue. Can you provide a higher-resolution image?

Here is a stamp similar to yours, Scott #25, plate position 70L7, with sheet margin at right:

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