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Posted 02/10/2016   2:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add area66 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Look at this image, I found this stamp and it seems the hinge have release a chemical that trigger a transfer from of the ink to the back. Now I have to find a way to stop the reaction and preserve this stamps as t is now

The stamp was hinged to a page album, and it's exactly the size and position of the hinge so no dough about it.




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Posted 02/10/2016   4:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tim H to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, I had a few mint stamps from Lithuania where the same thing happened. I guess they were stored somewhere a bit damp and the gum.on the hinge reacted with the gum on the stamp and formed a stain that had leached the colour from the stamp. I threw them away. Ruined and worthless.
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Posted 02/10/2016   4:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks more like someone used scotch tape instead of hinges. Not salvageable.
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Posted 02/10/2016   4:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
NO it's not scotch tape, I have the hinge that match. You don't get it, I don't need that stamp in my collection, very bad centred, perf cut.I just put the best in my US and Canada albums. I want to preserve it in this condition because it's interesting.
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Posted 02/10/2016   4:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Since you have removed the hinge, you have probably stopped, or severely slowed the reaction. Perhaps a quick soak in a very light peroxide solution would kill off any bacteria or other critters that may keep the reaction going? If you had two of them, you could practice on one and keep the other.

Of course, if they are worthless, like some are arguing (including myself), maybe just keep a high resolution scan of the front and back and toss them anyway? Just a thought.
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Posted 02/11/2016   08:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kirks to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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You don't get it,


IF we "don't get it," it's because you didn't explain it.

So rather than being rude, why don't you proofread your posts to ensure that you have explained and/or asked a question.

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Posted 02/11/2016   12:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kollectorkurt to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It would be interesting to see the hinge that caused this damage, because I too immediately suspected scotch tape. The appearance of your stamp is exactly what one would expect to see as "tape damage."
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Posted 02/11/2016   2:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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It would be interesting to see the hinge that caused this damage, because I too immediately suspected scotch tape


It's not scotch tape. the album is a Scott Brown and the stamp was there since a long time, many type of hinges was uses. see the pics of rest of the hinges it's show also transfer of it



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I guess they were stored somewhere a bit damp and the gum.on the hinge reacted with the gum on the stamp


It's a canceled stamp with no gum ? So why any other stamps in the album and not the pages of this old Scott Brown album doN,t show sign of damp damages ( only the regular burn paper damages cause by the acidity in the paper in contact with the oxygen in the air. )



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IF we "don't get it," it's because you didn't explain it.


For me it was clear it was not a question but an observation,I said I have to find a way on how to stop the reaction in the state it is, but it's not a question I expect answer here. Peroxide is certainly not the way as it may remove the transfer.

And why it's move to US section, this is general tread, can happen to any stamp


Here the photo, glassine hinge , look at the fibre on the side where it's tear , scotch tape don't have fibres




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Posted 02/11/2016   3:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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but it's not a question I expect answer here


Why then post the topic???

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Posted 02/11/2016   3:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"You don't get it," when translated from the French (?) does not seem so harsh, I suspect.
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Posted 02/11/2016   3:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cjpalermo1964 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Why then post the topic???


His original post was merely to display the effect. He mused that he would have to find a way to reverse it, but didn't ask for a chemical suggestion here. "Look what I found, but I understand we might not have chemistry experts here."

You guys are a bit harsh on him. English isn't his first language, and across dozens of posts, it's clear that he's been choosing the best expression that he can at the time, sometimes awkwardly or with unintended results. I view his posts as often inartful but not intended to be rude, as he has little ability to understand the effect they may have on a native English speaker. They take a couple of readings to infer what he is asking or saying.
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Posted 02/11/2016   4:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, CJpalermo and KGB, you get it right. I lean English on computer book so politesse was not on the subject.
You don't get it, was in respond to this :
"I threw them away. Ruined and worthless."
"Not salvageable."
In no way , I want , wish or express that I want to keep the stamps in my collection. I want to preserve it as an interesting transfer, it's the transfer I want to preserve not the value of the stamp. I think people here are too much use to new comer coming here and expecting they find the stamp that will pay their loan.

Yesterday I simply found that stamp and post it as I tough it will be interesting, all I have is people saying it was scotch tape, to ruin what I want to preserve with peroxide and trash the stamp.
The only time on this forum I asked for help wat to ID an Hungarian stamps, I was well answered, I even purchase a book suggested in the tread and , purchase another one and in way to purchase more when I found them available. I usually do my homework.

And on the "why don't you proofread" well I use Word to compose all my post, sorry I can't do more. No it'S not the first time I have this problem on a forum, I was expecting Stamp collecting as a more worldwide opening to different culture and language. You need someone who speak Chinese to help you with their stamps, same with Russian and many other language.


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Posted 02/11/2016   4:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Look at this image, I found this stamp and it seems the hinge have release a chemical that trigger a transfer from of the ink to the back. Now I have to find a way to stop the reaction and preserve this stamps as it is now

The stamp was hinged to a page album, and it's exactly the size and position of the hinge so no dough about it.



What need to be more clear ?

I found a stamp with a transfer
I want to preserver it in the actual state.
I specially specify 2 times it was a hinges not other thing

Now I made some work, I scratch some of the brown stuff on a microscope slide, and found it's fungus not bacteria. This can't be responsible for the transfer. Something at a moment wet the stamp, dissolve the ink and it was absorbed true the paper. And it's something the fungus trive in it because only the part where is the hinge have fungus in front and back of the stamp.

So that exclude the stamps was in a damp place, if it was the case all the stamp will have fungus
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Posted 02/11/2016   4:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
66, I admire your use of English here. I know from personal experience just how difficult it is to use a foreign tongue.
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Posted 02/11/2016   4:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
How do you differentiate between bacteria vs fungus? Please explain the science of what you are seeing, which makes this conclusion so sure.
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Posted 02/11/2016   4:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add area66 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One other fact, they are no trace of fungus on the album page , so they are a reaction on the stamp side of the hinge but not on the album paper side. That's bring me to my first idea when I saw it, the stamp was soak in something , hinged when not totally dry, and the paper stay wet more longer under where is the hinge. Some chemical evaporate fast enough to not cause problem to the ink, put if the chemical is trap it's a different situation
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