Need Some Help On This 2 Cent Carmine

Hi everyone. I came across this 2cent2 carmine perforation 12/12 on all four sides it is should have a double line water mark but it does not have any water mark and it has the dots above the lip to the nose 4 rows of three and the extra dots in the top of the hair of the 528 b perf 12. what can it be perf 12 no water make does not exist.

Could it simply be a 406? Single line watermarks are sometimes nearly impossible to see.

The 528B you mention is perf 11. You really need to post a picture as your original information is all over the place.

I know the 528b is perf 11 Like I said it shows all the thing on the print of a 528b. I will up load a scan in a few I have to make dinner for my little one. I have checked 5 time for a water mark none on it not even a dot or dash just paper

Then I am fully confused since you state "528 b perf 12" in your original post.
So it is really hard to tell what you doing and what reference are you are trying to use.
Yes, the illustration will help.

I am sorry about the wait. but here it is.

res1200

If it is perf 12/12, there is no need to check the watermark. (It is single-line watermark). It is US Scott No. 406.


-IBFS

A140 — — 408-409 376-382 these are all perf 12 no water mark
405-407
these to A148 — — 414-421

Press
Type
Water
mark

Design
Size of
Image
Paper
Type

IMPERF
PERF
12.5
PERF
12
PERF
12x10
PERF
10x12
PERF
11
PERF
10
PERF
11x10
PERF
10x11 COIL
HORIZ.
PERF
12 COIL
HORIZ.
PERF
10 COIL
HORIZ.
PERF
8.5 COIL
VERT.
PERF
12 COIL
VERT.
PERF
10 COIL
VERT.
PERF
8.5
Flat
Plate None — — — 481-485 498-518
523-524
547 462-478
" Single
line A138
A139 — — 383-384 374-375 385-386 390-391 387-388 392-393
" " A140 — — 408-409 376-382
405-407 423A-C 423D 461 424-430 441-442 410-411 389 443-447 394-396
412-413
" " A148 — — 414-421 431-440
" Double
line — — wood
pulp 343-347 331-342
422-423 519 460 348-351 352-356
" " — — bluish 357-366
Rotary None — — — 544 543 538-541 542 486-489 490-497
" " — 19½-20mm
X 22mm — 545-546
" Single
line — — — 459 448-450 452-458
Offset None — — — 531-535 536 525-530

I think this is what it is. A intaglio printing.

Kingston, I don`t mean to be rude, but you`re all over the place. I thought we were talking about a 2 cent carmine?

I agree with IBFS. It's a type I, so perf 12 is 406. The single line watermarks can be very elusive.

Edit: look at the back, should have ink. Sign it's flat plate 406.

Kingston, what exactly are you looking for ? Intaglio is a printing method, it's exactly the opposite of a relief print so not sure again where you are trying to get.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intag...intmaking%29

Sorry about that I coppied and tried to paste just the information about the perf 12 no water mark. And when I clicked paste all that other stuff came up and when I tried to take it off it would not del.

Not a problem.